Mogstation and New Content

[Zojha]

Why not go full course with the DLC mentality?

Make a couple of checkboxes when you subscribe what kind of content you want to subscribe to. If you don't want to participate in raids anyway, you tick off the box and it reduces your fee proportionally to the development cost. Why should you pay extra for the development of something you don't intend to do anyway? If you want access to all glamour options however, you can tick that box and have your subscription raised accordingly. If you never felt like crafting, you can tick off the box and again reduce your fee a bit.

And then we develop based on the budget gained from these content subscriptions. I'd be the first to sacrifice Savage and ranked PvP to more glamour.

[Aronys]

I think both of you are wrong to compare a restaurant with FFXIV. With FFXIV, you pay a monthly fee and if you want extra stuff, you pay extra. When you go to a restaurant you only pay for the stuff that you have ordered (maybe some tips for the waiter/ress). I think a better way is to compare a restaurant to a F2P game, there you only pay for the stuff you want extra. So entering the game = entering the building and buying extra stuff = ordering food/drinks.

Maybe entering the lobby of the building would be akin to entering the lobby of the game. You can't go into the world if you don't pay. And you can't sit at a table if you're not ready to foot the bill, because there are other customers who are. This is when it comes to FFXIV. F2P system is different and is not comparable to this, as it would be more akin to a charity organisation, or a public kitchen. You get what you get. Ofc. it's a unique situation as you do have a paid dessert with their cash shops.

No, I'm correct. Retainers and jump potions aren't cosmetics. I never mentioned their effect on gameplay.
When people say the optional extras are just cosmetic they are 100% wrong.

We don't have jump potions yet, so I can't say anything on them. But retainers aren't available in the mog station. They are an extra service and are lumped into a separate section, alongside name change and server transfer. The mog station stuff so far is 100% cosmetics.

They ran this very game to the same standards they do now before it had a cash shop. In fact, they wouldn't shut up about how amazing it was financially.

No, they didn't. Before the mog station, there wasn't a EU data centre, and EU players had higher ping when playing the same game as their NA counterparts. So, the standards weren't the same.

[Zojha]

We don't have jump potions yet, so I can't say anything on them. But retainers aren't available in the mog station.

You "do" realize the entire thing is "the mog station"? It says up on the top of the page, in big bolded letters >_>

[Aronys]

You "do" realize the entire thing is "the mog station"? It says up on the top of the page, in big bolded letters >_>

And this discussion is mainly about optional items in said mog station. It is why the mog station is split into several tabs. Maybe I should have written that in the first place, but I kinda hoped that people would understand that in the first place. Otherwise, people would complain about having to pay for a name change and server transfer (nobody is complaining about that), and additional retainers fall into that category.

[Zojha]

And this discussion is mainly about optional items in said mog station.

The original argument was:

No, I'm correct. Retainers and jump potions aren't cosmetics. I never mentioned their effect on gameplay.
When people say the optional extras are just cosmetic they are 100% wrong.

to which you replied

We don't have jump potions yet, so I can't say anything on them. But retainers aren't available in the mog station. They are an extra service and are lumped into a separate section, alongside name change and server transfer. The mog station stuff so far is 100% cosmetics.

Frankly, you are wrong. That's all.

[Uhm]

I didn't care really until they added emotes. Exclusive cash shop emotes. I can live with not having some glamour items even though they look really nice if getting them means I'd have to pay extra and not get it myself in game. I like playing the game and actually get stuff that way, that's why I wanted to play a sub game, that and having content updated.
I feel like Odin's horse shoud drop from the Odin FATE or trial since that would make sense, but not having it doesn't hinder my gameplay. Emotes are a bit different I think, at least emotes that are not /dance rather than standart things I have for free in other MMOs.
I don't like the cash shop but I know it will stay, I just wish they'd dial it down a little.

[Aronys]

How are cash shop emotes hindering your gameplay? The only emotes that are necessary in the game are given to us for free when we make our characters. The quests that require them don't tell you to buy them in the mog store to actually complete the quest. If they would, then it would hinder your gameplay because you couldn't finish a quest in game without them.

[Laerune]

How are cash shop emotes hindering your gameplay? The only emotes that are necessary in the game are given to us for free when we make our characters. The quests that require them don't tell you to buy them in the mog store to actually complete the quest. If they would, then it would hinder your gameplay because you couldn't finish a quest in game without them.

That argument can also be used for hairstyles, outfit outside dungeon gear and quest rewards, minions and mounts. One could say that the hairstyle that we start with in 2.0 is enough, that only the Chocobo mount is necessary and for armour, only the stuff that can be obtained from tomes and dungeons. What is or is not necessary depends on the player, we all value stuff differently. Uhm might like the emotes alot, so he/she values it differently then you and me.

One person can not label what is or not necessary for the whole community.

[Aronys]

That argument can also be used for hairstyles, outfit outside dungeon gear and quest rewards, minions and mounts. One could say that the hairstyle that we start with in 2.0 is enough, that only the Chocobo mount is necessary and for armour, only the stuff that can be obtained from tomes and dungeons. What is or is not necessary depends on the player, we all value stuff differently. Uhm might like the emotes alot, so he/she values it differently then you and me.

One person can not label what is or not necessary for the whole community.

This has nothing to do with personal value. This is about someone saying that not having a certain emote is hindering their gameplay. These additional emotes can only enrich gameplay, add more to it, but not having them does not affect the basis of gameplay what so ever. The base is still there, and we already have a lot of extra to enrich it. These few add-ons only serve to further enrich it.

[Enur]

We should not be afriad of the mogstation as a concept. We should be afraid of the devs ceasing production of otherwise subscription funded content in order to pump out mogstation goodies.

When the art of an expansion is complete i can understand the art team sitting idle while the rest of the dev team is piecing it all together. Is it greedy with the current prices? Of course. Pricing is waaay too high imo.