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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post
    It sounds like the Bane issue is not an animation lock or server latency issue but a DoT state check issue.
    It possibly is, and I think it comes down to how quickly it checks for and applies dots.

    It doesn't have to reach the doing damage stage, but the system does have to register that it applied - Miasma does pretty much immediately before you can actually activate Bane but also comes with two status debuffs (likely why it checks this one so fast), which may be why it can be triggered by Bane so quickly.

    Both Bio and Bio II have to show the +Bio/+Bio II combat text before they will spread when used with Bane.

    I find it to be an odd complaint though...the timing difference is literally less than a quarter a second. By the time you've activated another ogcd you've already passed the first moment Bane can successfully pass any current dots.
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    The problem with bane after Bio is not the animation lock. It is the latency. Bio has not lock animation because you can cast it on movement. You need few milliseconds to let the buff "reach" the server and your client get the response. So if you use bane before the client get the response from server, you are sending to the server a Bio II-Miasma only Bane. It is a bit hard to explain, but I think is that. The only way to fix this is not allow the use of Bane while other action is being sending to server. But this can cause a real lock. It is a thing with complex fix, because you can have the best of the best connections, but you still will have a delay.
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    The delay for some things to register like bane/damage buffs to other skills I'm not sure is animated related (perhaps it's when it's applied in reference to the animation, I imagine some of it is server delay), but yeah please change all of these.

    If hallowed ground visually goes off, with cooldown set too, why oh why does it not work then? "Because its a feature of the spell" - annoying feature I really dislike then lol.

    Either way I'd like /all/ of these to be adjusted to be as responsive as possible and anything that isn't responsive due intentional design is put behind a casting/channeling timer that once gone off counts as gone off, so if hallowed ground needs a 1 second uninterruptible cast timer fine.. sure go for it, but it should always be "I click, I see, it works" lol.

    Please, thank you :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    The delay for some things to register like bane/damage buffs to other skills I'm not sure is animated related (perhaps it's when it's applied in reference to the animation, I imagine some of it is server delay), but yeah please change all of these.

    If hallowed ground visually goes off, with cooldown set too, why oh why does it not work then? "Because its a feature of the spell" - annoying feature I reallydislike then lol.

    Either way I'd like /all/ of these to be adjusted to be as responsive as possible and anything that isn't responsive due intentional design is put behind a casting/channeling timer that once gone off counts as gone off, so if hallowed ground needs a 1 second uninterruptible cast timer fine.. sure go for it, but it should always be "I click, I see, it works" lol.

    Please, thank you :P
    Same with all the insta-heals too. People can die and do die, while these abilities go on CD. So in the end, stop letting failed abilites go on CD??? If they go on CD they should work, that simple. Same for Lbs, etc. If the bar is used, the effect should take place. LBs are way too slow as heck, with the charge up delay and delay of being frozen after it takes place, your in a good spot to die using LB.
    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    The majority of global cooldown MMOs out there are just 1 second faster (oh, that is sooo much faster /sarcasm) and aren't designed around fitting 1-2 abilities frequently in between that 2.5 second base cooldown.
    Ya you get insane stuff like this:
    https://youtu.be/eHTCwDXVeWY?t=103
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 04-27-2017 at 09:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    Ya you get insane stuff like this:
    https://youtu.be/eHTCwDXVeWY?t=103
    The fact that this player was able to hit each button like 5 times just proves how slow the combat really is. Humans can push buttons pretty fast and you don't even have to be a pro to do it. The only reason why having a 1 second GCD wouldn't work in this game is because of the sluggish skill activation. You really notice it if you try to use more than two oGCD skills in one GCD. A fast global cooldown works fine in other games like WoW where skills activate instantly and reliably. Even oGCD skills and procs aren't an issue because pressing two buttons in one second isn't exactly impressive. Just look at how fast the average person types, it's the same thing.

    I'm not saying we need to have a 1 second GCD but having these skill limitations removed would be nice. If an ability is supposed to be instant, it's not unreasonable to expect instant activation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    You do realize that the linked video is a silly for humour video and intentionally over the top?
    It has truth to it though, just replace the nonsense obeys with other pet commands. Also you do have to hit it before Contagion so Carbuncle uses it. It is mocking how long it takes to get contagion off but ya.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    The fact that this player was able to hit each button like 5 times just proves how slow the combat really is. Humans can push buttons pretty fast and you don't even have to be a pro to do it. The only reason why having a 1 second GCD wouldn't work in this game is because of the sluggish skill activation. You really notice it if you try to use more than two oGCD skills in one GCD. A fast global cooldown works fine in other games like WoW where skills activate instantly and reliably. Even oGCD skills and procs aren't an issue because pressing two buttons in one second isn't exactly impressive. Just look at how fast the average person types, it's the same thing.

    I'm not saying we need to have a 1 second GCD but having these skill limitations removed would be nice. If an ability is supposed to be instant, it's not unreasonable to expect instant activation.
    I do not understand this. How are you supposed to do all that while moving to very specific spots and sharing pray and other foresight such as:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5LE8ZzBFw

    If this was so easy, I would not see people so quiet. It is so quiet because the game is too fast pace and too much to do like what I link, making it hard to type. I do not see how someone can manage with even more to do in less time, following all those gimmicks with little wiggle room of reaction time, and even a bit less then what you expect because of server processing issues.
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    This game is anything but fast paced. It was designed with a 200ms delay in mind. FFXIV is rather slow compared to basically the majority of global cooldown mmo's out there. I will agree though that it is rather annoying that certain actions/fights are determined by animations while others by a cast bar/visible marker. There needs to be a set standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dotsforlife View Post
    This game is anything but fast paced. It was designed with a 200ms delay in mind. FFXIV is rather slow compared to basically the majority of global cooldown mmo's out there. I will agree though that it is rather annoying that certain actions/fights are determined by animations while others by a cast bar/visible marker. There needs to be a set standard.
    The majority of global cooldown MMOs out there are just 1 second faster (oh, that is sooo much faster /sarcasm) and aren't designed around fitting 1-2 abilities frequently in between that 2.5 second base cooldown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
    The majority of global cooldown MMOs out there are just 1 second faster (oh, that is sooo much faster /sarcasm) and aren't designed around fitting 1-2 abilities frequently in between that 2.5 second base cooldown.
    You would be surprised how much faster it actually is and what difference it makes. It is quite noticeably faster when you have played a MMO with 1/1.5 GCD then switch to FFXIV. It's why its one of the main complaints with the game being slow and asking to decrease the GCD.
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    This also happens for Bard's Sidewinder if you dont wait after putting on dots there is a chance you dont get the full potency due to the last dot not being registered yet
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