Dam. meter

[Kallera]

Here is the thing, you may think this would only be used to get rid of the worst of the worst, but in reality it will be used to give players of any skill a bad time, as people treat each other as a number, looking at the parser to see which attempt excuses the kick.

[SenorPatty]

On an public scale, parsers are not effective in public settings. Hardly anyone knows each other well enough in a pug to demonstrate how parsers can help improve

On a private scale, where you've raided with the same people over time, parsers help alot because everyone knows what everybody else does at what time. People are more receptive to improving onself because trust and camaraderie already exist.

If SE ever publicly supports and add parsers to the game, I hope they put a hard stance that it should be only in private groups, where everyone already acknowledges they are being/using a parser.

[Misutoraru]

it is a tool, like a knife or any hand tool
it can do good as well as do harm
toxic people do not need a tool to do harm to other, good player will find their way to improve themselve, bad player will remain bad player regardless he/she given a tool or not
but giving a tool to a worker, he/she done the job better, giving a tool to a psychopath, he/she done the harm more
SE have clearly state their stance on it, and as what i have experience in MMO with such tool,
I stand strongly aside SE with it

[Arrius]

Only thing we can do is advice them, but if they wont listen then its either kick them out or ignore and continue. You can not force them to change, if they they do not care. A damage meter will show the underpreformers, but how much harm will it do the community, compared the good that it can do. Past experience has shown me that they bring more harm then good. SE too think this is the case, which is why we do not have official addon support or a damage meter in the game. If you are looking for underpreformers, you can always use the parsers that people are already using and advice the underpreformer, if they wont listen, kick them out or ignore them.

Oh, I do use my own judgement about this all whom I throw out or not, don't worry about that. However, this stance of player expectation only goes far until the next group, where possibly the tank/dps/healer with a thousand-yard stare and doing their 500'th random roulette will not care about this all as long the dungeon gets done, either in 20 or 60 minutes.

And you guys need to chill out on the 'I will be kicked on a whim because of my DPS' negativity - As long you can play your job right and within the expectations of how SE thinks you should play it, nearly everyone will not give you crap about that.

For everything else, you drop a ticket and customer support will deal with it as they do now. Harassment, in any kind of way, is no laughing matter and if you don't bother even filing a report about that issue, nothing and no one will change.

[Derio]

I know in WoW it was a tool that created a very toxic community. One reason why I quit eso was due to its toxity for having one and players criticizing and harassing tanks and healers for low dps.

If ffxiv implements such tool, even simple trials and MSQ dungeons won't be safe from harassment

[Orbiaus]

I would also like to point out that people parse anyway. If I go into a savage raid someone knows the damage numbers. If I go into a extreme trial, someone knows the damage numbers! It's used anyway and after all the times I've played abuse occurs when the dps check isn't met or enrage. Only then do people mention the parse data!

So I guess they should remove the dps checks and enrage then due to abuse? If a dev is going to make hitting a damage target a thing lets have a tool to help us reach that damage target.

[akaneakki]

I actually find more 1 clickers or semi afk players than the "elitist toxic" ones. Parser already exist in game. Why people dont offend or talk shit, is because its againts tos. That rule will still be there if they going to get one offically. And if a player do listen to advice me and others are more than welcome to help them. But please, dont question yourself why you get kicked for not doing what you are supposed to. Ive seen people get kicked and wonder why. Till its been said in party after... this happens because its either disband or kick the afk player.

[ShinMetsu]

Parsers exist in World of Warcraft for 12+ years, and nobody is salty, fear them or feel "insulted" by them.

Do you realize though that even now people are afraid to join content out of fear of being judged?

Just because you don't notice these people, doesn't mean they're not there.

[Ama_Hamada]

Here is another thing "dam. meter" reminded me of:

Players of FFXIV, no poor sap ever won a dungeon by dying for their country. They won it by being all that they can be. Damn the dam meters, or give me death! Eternal vigilance is the price of duty. And, to the victors go the spoils. So remember: you are the best of the best of the few and the proud. So ask not what your country can do for you, only regret that you have but one life to live! The war against the Gimpinites will be won! Player Elite, let the first shot be fired! Search out the gimpinties and meter 'em all!

kk, again, real comment:
Now I understand some arguing it should be on the player not the tool, it is something I used to bring pvp chat back. The thing is, the player base already proved meters in a public setting would be more harm then good. Every time I see a reference to DPS or FF logs is intent to put someone down, not help them. It is kinda strange though SE has such a strong policy on commenting on someone's DPS with all the DPS checks in the game...

[Orbiaus]

This might be hard to believe, but before SSS was even a thing, and while the job was new, I effectively taught myself a proper MCH rotation. By the time solid rotation(s) began to pop up online, I saw it and said "Wow, this is almost exactly what I already do." And as I said before, I've been a console player since the start.

It might be tougher to learn the job/rotation well without a parser, but it's hardly impossible.

So did I but it wasn't as optimal. MCH have it easier than others though since our WF shows us a number at the end. It's not the rotation that's the biggest issue though. A stationary target is easy but in a raid knowing how I perform under stress is very useful.