Dam. meter

[Moonlite]

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I also remember deadly boss mod having a call out feature. X player got hit by Fire wall. I don't need to see that kind of spam and ego. It added nothing. You can see the dead bodies or the low HP. It isn't like a Boss from another instance came and slapped them.

Also I enjoyed parsers in WoW. But I quit when they added the cross server group option. I know a few people that play still. They said you should expect at least two wipes per dungeon if you use the group finder. That would have been unacceptable in the old days unless you were going for some silly achievement.

[Feidam]

And how does SSS teach people optimal rotations? Most get theirs from others that have used a parser to figure that out.

Maybe. You do not need a parser to to see what allows you to kill the fastest. SSS kill time let's you know.

[dotsforlife]

I also remember deadly boss mod having a call out feature. X player got hit by Fire wall. I don't need to see that kind of spam and ego. It added nothing. You can see the dead bodies or the low HP. It isn't like a Boss from another instance came and slapped them.

Also I enjoyed parsers in WoW. But I quit when they added the cross server group option. I know a few people that play still. They said you should expect at least two wipes per dungeon if you use the group finder. That would have been unacceptable in the old days unless you were going for some silly achievement.

Just hope and pray SE never adds a level up option in the mog station as a service. That's what really tanked the WoW skill level across the board. Nothing like some new player with no skill/experience getting an instant level 100 and jumping straight into a dungeon. Former WoW player myself for many years.

[Ama_Hamada]

Just hope and pray SE never adds a level up option in the mog station as a service. That's what really tanked the WoW skill level across the board. Nothing like some new player with no skill/experience getting an instant level 100 and jumping straight into a dungeon. Former WoW player myself for many years.

where have you been? they are, called jump potions
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Boost-Potions

Also we are past that point, ever seen those --- all job people cept the one 15 and 60? ugh... rush levelers are not much different

[Shougun]

No. No no no. Been playing console since I started and I've never needed mods (which are already illegal on console) or addons. Why? Because I've got 2 eyes and good working reflexes. I know when to move out of an aoe. I know when I should stack for something. The game even HAS obvious visual markers for common mechanics now. Why would I need a program to tell me to do something I should know how to do by now? How easy do people want this game to get?

Lol I wasn't saying everyone should like it, just that it would make the game far more approachable :P. Who needs guides when all content has a guide built in it lol (/dodges bullet). Just curious on your addon/mods are ilelgal statement, I don't mean on FFXIV but in general - like there are mods for skyrim. Make sure we were on the same page there, mods are not illegal for the PS4 as a whole.

Not suggesting it has no con, but it does have a pro as well (for some people).

I also remember deadly boss mod having a call out feature. X player got hit by Fire wall. I don't need to see that kind of spam and ego. It added nothing. You can see the dead bodies or the low HP. It isn't like a Boss from another instance came and slapped them.

Also I enjoyed parsers in WoW. But I quit when they added the cross server group option. I know a few people that play still. They said you should expect at least two wipes per dungeon if you use the group finder. That would have been unacceptable in the old days unless you were going for some silly achievement.

LOL.. Yeah . "Jimbob messed up" ... :O NO I DIDN'T /shy XD. If they made addons they should probably make it so they can't print to public chat (but can /echo) :P.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

And how does SSS teach people optimal rotations? Most get theirs from others that have used a parser to figure that out.

This might be hard to believe, but before SSS was even a thing, and while the job was new, I effectively taught myself a proper MCH rotation. By the time solid rotation(s) began to pop up online, I saw it and said "Wow, this is almost exactly what I already do." And as I said before, I've been a console player since the start.

It might be tougher to learn the job/rotation well without a parser, but it's hardly impossible.

[dotsforlife]

where have you been? they are, called jump potions
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Boost-Potions

Not nearly as extreme or widespread, but that is disappointing to read.

[Ashua]

Glad to see people are itleast reasonable on these forums. The sum of those who want a parser vs those who do not both have equal claims because a game is more emotional then technical when it comes down to it. Sure there are number crunchers who genuinely want the parser for said reasons but all arguments sum up one thing. You either want an official parser of some sort or you dont. Those who advocate for a parser wanted the timed training dummy as a indicator and we got that. The tip has already gone way past what I even wanted and even if it does not personally affect me the effect as a whole alters the game in an aspect I do not want so I will always advocate and push to remove the addition of addons and parsers that take away the feel of the game and turn it into a game of numbers more then it already is.

I am neither wrong nor right in this regard. I feel that the squeaky wheel eventually gets the grease and if the devs see enough of people having interest in parsers becoming a norm to the game they may re-evaluate the standing they currently have so I do want to be a counter to keep that wheel from being greased up. Despite that I have nothing against those who oppose me and if I end up losing this battle oh well. Yeah sadly jump potions do exsist but those who quit the game (a good chunk would not come back if they feel they have to play catch up to what they feel they have to play old content just to access new. Maybe barring Ishgard and zones/jobs requiring competion of ARR main quest was an initial wrong step and should be countered a bit with a catch up quest by a mysterious time mage that does not boost levels/gear but just lets you get a story completion flag would have been a better alternative.

[bardaboo]

Without a parser i have been able to spot and call out, even help those that aren't doing well. With a parser i might be less inclined to do so for fear of dps shaming. However i do want a personal parser so i can improve myself. Everyone who is against parser keeps spouting of that SSS exists. Yeah ok. Hiw does that help with aoe rotations? Or boss fights with mechanics? Oh it doesn't? Cool. So beyond a training dummy fight it's essentially useless. If SE brought in an in game parser AND KEPT THE DPS SHAMING A BANNABLE OFFENSE everyone can be happy.

[Dualgunner]

But that site does allow you to look someone up by name, regardless of their ranking. If you had a lot of time, or a good robot, you could easily organize the data in a list of the top X scores out of X--that is, everyone--and see in what percentile they fall for their job in a particular bit of content, therefore allowing public shaming.

Okay but to be clear, that's a fourth party on top of the third party you're talking about there. Someone *could* is all you have right now, and that is a lot of effort to go to to shame someone which tells me, person X in this actively wants to shame person Y, so they'll find any way to do it anyway.

PotD just says, "Here are the top 100 scores out of X participants."

You can't look up the DPS percentile for dungeons. AFAIK there is no recorded percentile list for Baelsar's Wall. ATM it's just Creator Savage that my rankings show up for. So if your dps isn't up to par in Creator Savage then that means you're doing Creator Savage, and at that point (I) actively want to be a better player for the team anyway.

In the context of parsing just your party or alliance, the parser gives a complete ranking top 8 of 8 or top 24 of 24, allowing you to look for a particular member's score and shame him for his performance. If it were comparable to PotD rankings, you would only see who ranked #1 (or perhaps 1-3 in an alliance), and you would have no information about the rest of the group.

Maybe this is where we differ: I like to assume the best of people where it seems you like to assume the worst.

If we're still talking about FFLogs which is the leaderboard I compared PotD's to then only people who are doing the current endgame raid content are in rankings at all. Not regular dungeons, not guildhests or FATEs or PotD even. Just (in 3.5x's case) Creator Savage. So of the playerbase, this is only the selective few that go in there that would even be up in the rankings.

In case it's not clear, I'm not saying "Let's do this." I'm only saying, "If we displayed parse results in a manner more simmilar to the Palace rankings, it would look more like this."

So you want FFLogs to only display the top 1 percentile of people who've cleared Savage, as opposed to just people who've cleared savage?

If people're going to bring existing tools into the discussion, let's not pretend they don't have every single feature someone would ever want for harassing people, and we absolutely should not want to make it easier for people to harass others.

In re: "If people are parsing to harass, report them!"

Status quo for people who want to parse: they parse or ask a friend to parse.
If parsers were allowed: they would parse or ask a friend to parse.

Status quo for people who don't want to be harassed: If someone parses to harass, and you report them, they are clearly in violation.
If parsers were allowed: If someone parses to harass, you would have to argue your case.

Things wouldn't change for people who want to parse, and things would only become more of a hastle for the victims of harassment and bullying.

So what you're admitting to, is you like the guilty until never proven innocent defense right now?

Also I doubt that it would be that much of a hassle, since the mods would still probably be biased against parser users.