Dam. meter

[dragonseth07]

If it was offered up politely and in a constructive way? Probably. But it sounds like the parser was used to number shame and bully them. I really hope they reported that person, because that is the very reason Yoshi-P has stated why we won't get parsers. Cause more people will use it to number shame people rather then offer actual advice and constructive criticism.

I agree, but do keep context in mind. If someone is in Haukke Manor, playing badly is expected.

If you join an Extreme Primal Farm party (which this example was) and put out bad numbers... You're beyond the point of being new and needing some help. You have willingly gone into content where you know it is expected that you perform at a high level, and you are not being a team player.

[StarRosie]

I agree, but do keep context in mind. If someone is in Haukke Manor, playing badly is expected.

If you join an Extreme Primal Farm party and put out bad numbers... You're beyond the point of being new and needing some help. You have willingly gone into content where you know it is expected that you perform at a high level, and you are not being a team player.

While I agree to a point, I still stand by my point, that if you are gonna bring people's parser numbers up, do so politely, in a way that is actually helpful. Not to shame them. Joining an EX primal does not give people the right to harass, bully, and abuse other players over their numbers. And personally so far (Calm down, I am not saying that my experience represents all of the pro-parser camp or all who use parsers. Just giving perspective.) I've seen far more people use a parser to number shame, bully, and harass people. So I can wholly see where Yoshi comes from on that respect.

I am sure some use parsers to help inform people where to improve and good on them for that. But overall, I can't get behind the idea of parsers, but that's me and my opinions. It's a difficult thing to balance out, do we introduce a parser for the handful of people who would use it to actually help people and risk the horde of people who will use it to be a troll? Or do we just not introduce it? Again, these thoughts are colored by my experiences and I'm sure for some its different.

[Jkap_Goat]

Are you saying that Harassing, bullying and embarrassing a person motivates them to improve? No it does not, it makes them more likely NOT want to run extremes and run into people like THAT. For the record I have completed Sophie EX many times as an AST, so I know the fight by heart, I was going with NIN so I could get my bird, as I said before, it was a farm party, no one complained about anything , we cleared the boss multiple times and then, our healer left. This WHM jumps into our party and starts harassing and ebarrasing me about my DPS.
This is never a way to get someone motivated to improve.

[bardaboo]

Are you saying that Harassing, bullying and embarrassing a person motivates them to improve? No it does not, it makes them more likely NOT want to run extremes and run into people like THAT. For the record I have completed Sophie EX many times as an AST, so I know the fight by heart, I was going with NIN so I could get my bird, as I said before, it was a farm party, no one complained about anything , we cleared the boss multiple times and then, our healer left. This WHM jumps into our party and starts harassing and ebarrasing me about my DPS.
This is never a way to get someone motivated to improve.

You're right, they didn't handle it properly. But if you used a parser yourself you would have been aware of your lower dps and could ask for advice instead of having someone take the initiative, or maybe noone will say anything, and you might never have known you were under performing

[Zeonsilt]

Are you saying that Harassing, bullying and embarrassing a person motivates them to improve?

People, who insult others on a daily basis don't need a parser to do so. Even if they don't use it, they will still complain about something and will find a "prey".

Don't let that one moment to discourage you and, while at it, you can check some good NIN guides out there to improve. You can even ask a friend to look at your DPS/rotation and help you.


Long time ago, my good friend got blamed in World of Warcraft of how low (500 DPS) he was performing in dungeons as a Hunter. Then he asked me for advice(he didn't complained or something) and i helped him to improve his DPS to 2k(400% increase) in a ONE day. He then purchased two Beer (wooden, 2kg ea) kegs for me in a bar, we emptied one and i took a "second one" home with me. That was a good reward xD

I'm gonna be a little rude, but that is just flat out BS. If you're simply paying attention you can spot those that are doing really well. It can be very obvious in XIV.

Depends on each person view. From my point this is "flat out BS", because in a serious boss fight i don't have the time to look at how other people are doing they rotations/DPS cycles/etc, i need to perform my opener and wildfire combo, dodge AoE's to make healer life easier and such. I'm sure Ninja's don't have that luxury too. As a tank, you, sometimes, have that moments, when you can look @ others.

In easy content, like (for example), Void Ark/4-people-dungeons/etcetc - you have all the time in the world to look at what other people are doing, but it's not important there. In Savage content you don't have that luxury and look at parser numbers after the fight (or a fast glimpse during "boss invulnerable/transform" moments).

TL;DR All depends on content. As you said yourself, parser help people, when they know how to use it and utilize information from it. It's not that hard in most cases.

Someone said about idea of in-game parsers implemented in Savage content, which i think is quite good. You don't go into Savage content to play with a left leg, while eating and watching Netflix(right?).


p.s. I've been myself a 100% ArP Rogue.

I've been to parties where we fail dps check and the person with the lowers dps is the one complaining about it. I don't blame him, no one faced him and told him the truth.
What do people do in such situations? They either kick the player without warning or disband the party.

^ Yeol is right there. I've encountered those parties/situations too.

[CuteWhisper]

I will have to say no to a parser people will find ways to abuse it and bully other people.

[Kaethra]

I will have to say no to a parser people will find ways to abuse it and bully other people.

Saying no to people who would use it legitly is abuse and bullying.

[lvlagmarink]

Yeah right.. so there are more like that one paladin in A10s calling the other 7 players in the party being stupid because he didn't want to bother with the tether during the spinning boss so he could attack add once or twice, thus improving his damage.. when being called out, he gave us his fflogs saying he's in the right..

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

Everyone who wants to parse is already parsing. What people are really asking for is a means to enforce others to parse, erroneously thinking this will somehow bridge the player skill gap.

Lazy people are going to be lazy whether or not there's an in-game meter telling you how lazy you are. I'm perfectly fine with the status quo re: parsers, we need more effective in-game teaching methods (Hall of the Intermediate, Class/Job quests designed to teach you how to use your skills a la the NIN Mudra quests).

As far as PS4 players go... That's not an easy fix any way you slice it.

[ShinMetsu]

Might I ask, why are people so insistent on having an in-game parser anyway?
Why not just use a 3rd party parser?

(Besides PS4 reasons)