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[Dualgunner]

29 pages, it is like a dog chasing it's own tail
we will never reach an agreement with other sides
we both have out concern and evidences to support our own statements
and we both make assumption
at the end it turn out to be which side you viewing the issue on
the good out weight the bad or vice versa
but I must say I am glad that dev sharing the same stance as me

S'why I've mostly given up on the argument. It's not worth the energy imo, nobody on either side will change their minds. So why am I here? I dunno to be honest. It's kind of fun to watch the show.

Taking random DF groups, not FC mates and statics, in those cases, it is always harassment. I am sure that is the focus of SE not allowing them as well. We all know a static would help each other???? So it should been clear what I was saying.

It's hard to offer any assistance to people in random dfs when they can say "Hey your dps is X, it could be higher if you did Y instead of Z" is harassment because of parsing and that can get you a ban. I recall Dervy, the guy behind the DRG rotation and many accepted stat weights, got banned from the forums for openly parsing to share this information that should have been widely available anyway.

[Ama_Hamada]

S'why I've mostly given up on the argument. It's not worth the energy imo, nobody on either side will change their minds. So why am I here? I dunno to be honest. It's kind of fun to watch the show.



It's hard to offer any assistance to people in random dfs when they can say "Hey your dps is X, it could be higher if you did Y instead of Z" is harassment because of parsing and that can get you a ban. I recall Dervy, the guy behind the DRG rotation and many accepted stat weights, gotbanned from the forums for openly parsing to share this information that should have been widely available anyway.

That is not what I mean. You can also word it differently to see what is off in the rotation anyway. I do not need a praser to tell me seeing 3rd wave on expert when dps are in 270 have low dps. Still that is not the comments I am talking about, I am talking about whenever there is a reference to a praser in randoms, it is always used to put someone down in some way, not help them.

[ToasterMan]

S'why I've mostly given up on the argument. It's not worth the energy imo, nobody on either side will change their minds. So why am I here? I dunno to be honest. It's kind of fun to watch the show.

Yeeeeeeah that's what I'm doing. 30 pages and it's like a broken record. Although that's honestly nothing. You should've seen the last parser thread there was. That one was one huge.

You know, for what it's worth, I'd be open to doing like a test run with an official parser added for a short time, just so we could be completely sure how the community would react to it.

[Dualgunner]

That is not what I mean. You can also word it differently to see what is off in the rotation anyway.

That's still a lot of the issue. It doesn't matter how you word it, all it takes is someone having a bad day already taking it the wrong way and reporting.

I do not need a praser to tell me seeing 3rd wave on expert when dps are in 270 have low dps.

Again, I don't need an aggrometer to tell me what is and is not aggro'd to me and who is ripping off of me by not attacking my target. Having an aggro meter helps though.

Still that is not the comments I am talking about, I am talking about whenever there is a reference to a praser in randoms, it is always used to put someone down in some way, not help them.

First: may I see your facts and figures? If not then all you have is anecdote and I rebut with "Well that's not *my* experience, which is people getting banned for trying to be genuinely helpful." Case in point Dervy.

Second: I am also talking about just trying to help a random. In the words of the Joker, "All it takes is one bad day." and you're banned for trying to provide quantitative (as opposed to qualitative--both are equally useful, I'm not saying you can't help without a parser) help.

Yeeeeeeah that's what I'm doing. 30 pages and it's like a broken record.

You know, for what it's worth, I'd be open to doing like a test run with an official parser added for a short time, just so we could be completely sure how the community would react to it.

A test run for an official parser would be nice, even if it was an official parser. And I suppose I have a bit of a question to Yoshi P regarding "They'll force you to share your numbers"--how? Kicking you? Report it for harassment, as you are mandated under any part of any ToS to share any bit of your HUD with anyone else.

[Sebazy]

Taking random DF groups, not FC mates and statics, in those cases, it is always harassment.

Again, nope, I've seen it first hand in DFs, generally with new players missing a core component of there rotation or more frequently, AoEing inefficiently and running straight out of TP. Having the numbers displayed more clearly makes these mistakes easier to identify even in the middle of a roulette. I'll try to make a point of recording it next time I see it <3

The key here of course is offering up the advice in a polite and helpful manner.

Don't get me wrong though, I completely agree with you that simply slamming down on a new or casual player with a 'lol u suck' mentality is unacceptable and isn't good for anyone. Nobody needs that nonsense when they are trying to enjoy a game =(

[ToasterMan]

A test run for an official parser would be nice, even if it was an official parser. And I suppose I have a bit of a question to Yoshi P regarding "They'll force you to share your numbers"--how? Kicking you? Report it for harassment, as you are mandated under any part of any ToS to share any bit of your HUD with anyone else.

Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be real here. The ONLY reason I'm against the parsers being official is because I think that the downside of harassment and ego issues will outweigh the upside. When you get rid of that factor, I don't think there's a reason not to have it. The next worst thing that could happen is that people ignore it, and that doesn't justify not having it. Sure you don't NEED it in order to improve......but it helps. I don't need protect to clear an expert, but it still helps. Why would I not use it? We can all sit here and talk about our experiences and what we think would happen until the cows come home. (And we already have.)

Something I've realized is, nobody knows for sure what would happen if an official parser was introduced to the community. I don't think we'll reach a solution to this until a proper experiment is preformed. One that will present hard data that we can draw a conclusion from. Unfortunately, I don't think SE is too keen on doing something like that.

[Dualgunner]

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Yeah, after 1.0, LoV, and Diadem (and 2.0) I can understand them being weary of anything experimental, especially something that could have a drastic effect on the community. Its the could that really stings, because you're right, nobody knows for sure.

[RubyCirha]

Tbh there realy no need for one in game I meen stone sky what ever is already a pretty good indicater if you can't beat that at the seting you set it to then you need to work on your rotations / gear nuf said end of storry k thanks lmao

[akaneakki]

I know people can be jerks, but you don't need a parser to be a jerk.

I find some people on this forum ''jerks'' and they don't even use a parser.

[TheMax1087]

Are you joking?
No one used a praser to help someone in random DFs, only as an harassment tool.

Some of my more favorite runs through mentor roulette have involved me giving rotation advice to people who need it and actually listen to the advice. If I see someone making a mistake there that can be easily fixed, I ask "xxx do you mind if I give you some advice", and try to help if they say yes. Hell, just Tuesday I helped a blm who was using fire3 followed by blizzard3 repeatedly in a dusk vigil, and by the end of it he was doing a decent rotation. The reason you may think people don't use parsers to help randoms in df is because you can't actually mention you're using a parser in chat, but the actual help does happen.