Dam. meter

[thegreatonemal]

I still don't get this idea that all that matters is doing enough to clear. Optimization should be a goal, not saying "Eh, good enough."

Optimization is only really required for high end content and even then not by much unless your doing the content under geared. so in the case of 80% of the content in this game "eh, good enough" is fine. Might not sit well with you but you don't get to whine and moan and complain about people not doing their jobs to your standards as no one has to care about your standards as long as the content standards are met.

[dragonseth07]

Optimization is only really required for high end content and even then not by much unless your doing the content under geared. so in the case of 80% of the content in this game "eh, good enough" is fine. Might not sit well with you but you don't get to whine and moan and complain about people not doing their jobs to your standards as no one has to care about your standards as long as the content standards are met.

I didn't say required, I said it should be a goal. I want to perform well for my teammates, and that should be universal. It's the same as any other group activity. Why should this game be different?

[bardaboo]

People keep mentioning dev time. Have you run pvp? At the end it shows how much dmg you did, took, healing. So the game already has a tracking system in place. Just put a bar on our screen with a little number that changes. Shouldn't be too hard. But i guess they are too busy thinking up more things to add to the cash shop.

[Faliandra]

I agree with everyone whos pointing out the vast amount of bad/lazy dps players you get to meet in DF.

It's far from big exaggeration, its reality. I pretty much do Exp/60/50/Trial/Lvling almost every day, and I outdps at least one DPS almost every time as a HEALER.
I've seen properly geared dps players in Expert doing 600 dps. Badly geared ones doing 300 dps. Jesus, I do more hitting 1-2-3 on the same class , I even do more when im synched to lvl 50.

People need to stop defending laziness. As many, many, many times pointed out already....it is NOT harassment to point out laziness.
It's more about HOW to go about it and approach the issue. And if people didnt start with their defensive "u dont pay for my sub" attitude,
I bet you most people would be less toxic and more willing to help.

As for people saying "Ive never seen anyone say "I play how i want" or "its my sub" " ....Neither have I........until a few months ago. Nowadays, I hear it on a regular basis, so to me, it seems
like a more recent phenomenon.

[akaneakki]

People need to stop defending laziness. As many, many, many times pointed out already....it is NOT harassment to point out lazy.

Problem is not only lazyness, the problem also is there when they straight out refuse to try. I just find it selfish its all about them. Also about people harrasing others, it sucks .. however if it happened to me, which it have. All I did was to improve to stop it.

[bardaboo]

Problem is not only lazyness, the problem also is there when they straight out refuse to try. I just find it selfish its all about them. Also about people harrasing others, it sucks .. however if it happened to me, which it have. All I did was to improve to stop it.

I've only been kicked a few times for poor performance, know how i handled it?? I improved! Whaaaaaa?.
Sure there is a lot of casual content in the game, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have to try.

[akaneakki]

I've only been kicked a few times for poor performance, know how i handled it?? I improved! Whaaaaaa?.
Sure there is a lot of casual content in the game, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have to try.

Excactly. Many doesn't bother even if they get told in a nice way too.

[Lium]

Damage meters have never really brought anything good to a community, in my opinion. I can see them being helpful in elite content of some type where you need to make sure everyone is performing optimally. But usually what ends up happening is people start using them in leveling dungeons and as a way to either stroke their own epeen or grief other players.

Check out the WoW forums if you want to see horror stories about getting kicked from groups for low DPS even though they were clearing the dungeon just fine and nobody was dying.

[akaneakki]

Damage meters have never really brought anything good to a community, in my opinion..

What about making parser only avaible for raid/extreme primals. Besides in these type of content you do need to do your fair share of dmg. And also those who said as long it's dead it doesn't matter. Well, good groups can do content with 7 people and also keep in mind, just because it's killed doesn't mean its fine for 1 guy to sit back and hit 1 button or looks like it every 15-20 seconds. That's called lazy/ungreatful/selfish.

[dragonseth07]

Check out the WoW forums if you want to see horror stories about getting kicked from groups for low DPS even though they were clearing the dungeon just fine and nobody was dying.

I'm familiar with it. And you can and should get kicked in a circumstances like that if you're not contributing still.

I can clear a dungeon just fine and nobody will die if I refuse to AoE. Does that mean I shouldn't be kicked? Of course not! I can do the same if all I do when tanking is Riot Blade + Flash. Same deal.

Clearing the content is NOT a good baseline, because you can get carried through damn near anything.