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[akaneakki]

No. They add nothing helpful to the game, just a tool for the community to begin harassing one another.

Harrasing comes in many ways. Players who keep being dead on fight that actually dps or being alive matters, savage or extreme primals. Those people barely do anything, most of the time lays on the floor. Yes they do get kicked, but they keep doing it in other groups, thinking its fine. I find that insulting and harrasing the entire group. Other things that harrasses people, emote spam because they think it's fun? Sorry my blacklist is full of RMT already. People who tell me it's not fine to click 1-2 button every 10-15 seconds on tank, healer or dps but they actually do it themselves. The list is long and yes I find this harrasing, because first of all, respect the fellow player, don't think it's fine for us players to keep up with it.

No parsers please, I already got harassed by another player in sophia ex bird farm party, this WHM was looking at my moveset, calling out my dps numbers to everyone in the party. I was very embarrassed and very upset because I didn't ask for my numbers, Noone seemed to complain except that parser, even though I completed it fine. I would not like Noone to feel what I went though, parsing will be used for abuse.

Once I had a group where we had 4 underperformers, nobody (read) nobody was on pc actually, well besides the tank. If you play on ps4 you can see if the other player is actually on ps4 or not, by seing their PSN name. We had 3 enrages on sophia, this seemed fine and nobody cared and we kept going. Moral of the story, if you know you underperform, dont join, if you are in doubt, you can try. Not saying you underperform badly, because I can't judge you by not playing with you at all or whatever. However, me as a player, if I'm not confident on a job, I would certainly not join as one. This is a major problem for majority, specially people who plays BLM and keep using fire 1 instead of fire 4. You don't need a parser to understand something is wrong, same with SMN who loses stacks and never se a single dreadwyrm stance etc. However a parser can and will always have people who use them to harras others, however HARRASMENT goes both ways. You don't join on a job you know you can't perform on or barely know how to play.

But on the otherside what a personal parser could do is, show how you perform. Many gets told in a good or bad way, there should never be a bad way, there are people who are the sweetest people who even take time to google rotations, even pc players parser people who needs help, but most... yes most sadly do get offended by it and refuse to. This is a harrasment too. You respect your fellow player, the way you want to be respected. Like I said, you would mostlikely not be happy being in a group where you wipe over 20 times and be okay with it, unless if you truely are, then you should be more than happy to make a group with same mindset. People keep to forget that the players most call ''elitist, toxic etc'' are those who make guides for primals or savages and actually let us know when it will enrage or not. I never witness sophia extreme enrage ever, since it's easy to recover, but seen it too many times, even with deaths low as 2-3 max in a group. I'm not trying to lecture you or others here, you all decide how to treat others or how you want to perform, but when it comes to me, sorry, I will never ever join a group where I know I will do bad, this is my term of respect towards others.

[Llan]

Why stop at a parser? Why not disable chat too? Then disable names. Everyone is anonymous to one another?

I don't need restrictions to protect me from 'naughty' players. I can and have dealt with them myself. This community just needs to grow some gall and do the same. Stop being so damned sensitive and shy about everything.

Generalizing what I said doesn't make you right. lol
You can project all you want though. What I mean is: we already have asshats around, why give them a "low hanging fruit" as said before?

It's unnecessary. I think if we already have 3rd Party programs that people can use we don't need to force a system in-game.
it's like asking blizzard to add all add-ons as features in the game. If the add-ons are already working, why would you go out of your way to add something. You can use a parser already, go ahead and use it.

We had already made this point earlier in this very thread btw, a point made by multiple people in fact.

[ToasterMan]

There's all this heresay about how people get rimmed for low DPS when meters are available. This is a lie. By spreading such misinformation YOU are being the abuser.

You're........not serious are you?

Not only are you burying your head in the sand when clear evidence is being presented to you, You've somehow convinced yourself that you're the victim. The amount mental gymnastics needed to make you come to that conclusion is extraordinary.

[Kaethra]

What I mean is: we already have asshats around, why give them a "low hanging fruit" as said before?

So you agree with giving them a chat platform to harass and bully? Why not take it away if they're so harmful?

If parsers are so evil in their hands and its just a set of numbers, then the chat where they can say any vulgarity they want likewise has to go. They can say racist, homophobic, and other disparaging things. Far worse than any set of numbers out of a parser. So why not silence it?

[Just-Communication]

So you agree with giving them a chat platform to harass and bully? Why not take it away if they're so harmful?

If parsers are so evil in their hands and its just a set of numbers, then the chat where they can say any vulgarity they want likewise has to go. They can say racist, homophobic, and other disparaging things. Far worse than any set of numbers out of a parser. So why not silence it?

I think the concern may stem from the fact that a parser presents an outcome by which one can carry out comparisons. Whether it is to compare with one's own actions or those of others. A parser serves no other purpose. By its nature the parser gives the user a reason to formulate an opinion on the performance of others, for better or worse.

Whereas a chat log is a function built into the game to facilitate communication between players or NPCs. While it can most definitely be used to judge others based on their words and opinions, that is not its inherent purpose and taking away the module because it has the potential to result in harassment would be detrimental to the game experience. That said, I believe chat is in fact disabled during PVP for that very reason.

Parsers have their place, but should not be built into the game.

[Zeonsilt]

Parsers exist in World of Warcraft for 12+ years, and nobody is salty, fear them or feel "insulted" by them.

They help a lot in general balance and rotation practice, because an awful thing, called "StoneSeaSomething" won't help me optimize MCH rotation or search for a better solution/combination/rotation. It doesn't help to improve either.

As for FFXIV, i just feel that people here don't want to improve, play casually and fear parsers in general. However, every good player out there in high/top tier raiding do use parser, so people can't hide "500 DPS 260ilvl" perfomance or afk/liching. Be aware of that, when you join something like "Zurvan EX 260+ ilvl DPS check" farming or something.

Also, unlike healers or tanks, it's impossible to know and give a commend to a DPS player, unless you use parser and see how they perform in general.

p.s. I don't use a parser myself, since i just recently came back from a long hiatus.

[Kyuuen]

Parsers exist in World of Warcraft for 12+ years, and nobody is salty, fear them or feel "insulted" by them.

Oh I assure you, there are plenty that are. Take a few trips through LFR and that's plenty enough proof on it's own.

I can even attest to having been one of those people throughout BC up till the mid point of WotLK when Fury Warriors became gods with ArmPen builds becoming the go to as the approach to 100% got closer. And then becoming the opposite and using Skada/Recount (parsers) to flaunt what I could do.

They very much do exist in each aspect.

They help a lot in general balance and rotation practice, because an awful thing, called "StoneSeaSomething" won't help me optimize MCH rotation or search for a better solution/combination/rotation. It doesn't help to improve either.

No. No they do not. Parsers do not make you a good player or even knowledgeable about your class/job. What you do with the information from a parser can make you a good player, just as easily as make you a bad one if you don't know how to utilize a parser or understand what you should be putting out.

Just as equally as simply reading your abilities and applying forethought and testing can make you a good player. It's all in how it's used.

As for FFXIV, i just feel that people here don't want to improve, play casually and fear parsers in general. However, every good player out there in high/top tier raiding do use parser, so people can't hide "500 DPS 260ilvl" perfomance or afk/liching. Be aware of that, when you join something like "Zurvan EX 260+ ilvl DPS check" farming or something.

Some do, certainly not all. I consider myself a good Nin and I don't use one. /shrug

Also, unlike healers or tanks, it's impossible to know and give a commend to a DPS player, unless you use parser and see how they perform in general.

I'm gonna be a little rude, but that is just flat out BS. If you're simply paying attention you can spot those that are doing really well. It can be very obvious in XIV.

[Jkap_Goat]

Are you saying that Harassing, bullying and embarrassing a person motivates them to improve? No it does not, it makes them more likely NOT want to run extremes and run into people like THAT. For the record I have completed Sophie EX many times as an AST, so I know the fight by heart, I was going with NIN so I could get my bird, as I said before, it was a farm party, no one complained about anything , we cleared the boss multiple times and then, our healer left. This WHM jumps into our party and starts harassing and ebarrasing me about my DPS.
This is never a way to get someone motivated to improve.

[bardaboo]

Are you saying that Harassing, bullying and embarrassing a person motivates them to improve? No it does not, it makes them more likely NOT want to run extremes and run into people like THAT. For the record I have completed Sophie EX many times as an AST, so I know the fight by heart, I was going with NIN so I could get my bird, as I said before, it was a farm party, no one complained about anything , we cleared the boss multiple times and then, our healer left. This WHM jumps into our party and starts harassing and ebarrasing me about my DPS.
This is never a way to get someone motivated to improve.

You're right, they didn't handle it properly. But if you used a parser yourself you would have been aware of your lower dps and could ask for advice instead of having someone take the initiative, or maybe noone will say anything, and you might never have known you were under performing

[Yeol]

.. we cleared the boss multiple times .. harassing and ebarrasing me about my DPS.
This is never a way to get someone motivated to improve.

I personally don't care about dps, as long as we don't see enrage. IF enrage happens that is another talk. Underperforming players should know that they are the reason this happened. The problem here is that they won't take it lightly and play the victim role.

I've been to parties where we fail dps check and the person with the lowers dps is the one complaining about it. I don't blame him, no one faced him and told him the truth.
What do people do in such situations? They either kick the player without warning or disband the party.

In your situation, I wouldn't care since we are clearing the content. But please don't defend bad players. Defending them won't make them improve.