Dam. meter

[Zeonsilt]

Parsers exist in World of Warcraft for 12+ years, and nobody is salty, fear them or feel "insulted" by them.

They help a lot in general balance and rotation practice, because an awful thing, called "StoneSeaSomething" won't help me optimize MCH rotation or search for a better solution/combination/rotation. It doesn't help to improve either.

As for FFXIV, i just feel that people here don't want to improve, play casually and fear parsers in general. However, every good player out there in high/top tier raiding do use parser, so people can't hide "500 DPS 260ilvl" perfomance or afk/liching. Be aware of that, when you join something like "Zurvan EX 260+ ilvl DPS check" farming or something.

Also, unlike healers or tanks, it's impossible to know and give a commend to a DPS player, unless you use parser and see how they perform in general.

p.s. I don't use a parser myself, since i just recently came back from a long hiatus.

[Kyuuen]

Parsers exist in World of Warcraft for 12+ years, and nobody is salty, fear them or feel "insulted" by them.

Oh I assure you, there are plenty that are. Take a few trips through LFR and that's plenty enough proof on it's own.

I can even attest to having been one of those people throughout BC up till the mid point of WotLK when Fury Warriors became gods with ArmPen builds becoming the go to as the approach to 100% got closer. And then becoming the opposite and using Skada/Recount (parsers) to flaunt what I could do.

They very much do exist in each aspect.

They help a lot in general balance and rotation practice, because an awful thing, called "StoneSeaSomething" won't help me optimize MCH rotation or search for a better solution/combination/rotation. It doesn't help to improve either.

No. No they do not. Parsers do not make you a good player or even knowledgeable about your class/job. What you do with the information from a parser can make you a good player, just as easily as make you a bad one if you don't know how to utilize a parser or understand what you should be putting out.

Just as equally as simply reading your abilities and applying forethought and testing can make you a good player. It's all in how it's used.

As for FFXIV, i just feel that people here don't want to improve, play casually and fear parsers in general. However, every good player out there in high/top tier raiding do use parser, so people can't hide "500 DPS 260ilvl" perfomance or afk/liching. Be aware of that, when you join something like "Zurvan EX 260+ ilvl DPS check" farming or something.

Some do, certainly not all. I consider myself a good Nin and I don't use one. /shrug

Also, unlike healers or tanks, it's impossible to know and give a commend to a DPS player, unless you use parser and see how they perform in general.

I'm gonna be a little rude, but that is just flat out BS. If you're simply paying attention you can spot those that are doing really well. It can be very obvious in XIV.

[Yeol]

.. we cleared the boss multiple times .. harassing and ebarrasing me about my DPS.
This is never a way to get someone motivated to improve.

I personally don't care about dps, as long as we don't see enrage. IF enrage happens that is another talk. Underperforming players should know that they are the reason this happened. The problem here is that they won't take it lightly and play the victim role.

I've been to parties where we fail dps check and the person with the lowers dps is the one complaining about it. I don't blame him, no one faced him and told him the truth.
What do people do in such situations? They either kick the player without warning or disband the party.

In your situation, I wouldn't care since we are clearing the content. But please don't defend bad players. Defending them won't make them improve.

[akaneakki]

Are you .

Ofc not. Like the other person said. If you had one you would mostlikely fix it yourself. Some still wouldnt and thats their issue. Some people do get told in a good way too. The Main issue is, even if you feed someone with good advice and candy, they still get offended. What would you do if the healer said you needed improvement and gave you a dps guide?

[akaneakki]

in your situation, I wouldn't care since we are clearing the content. But please don't defend bad players. Defending them won't make them improve.

This very much. Most people dont get it.

[Jadub2k]

This is getting tiring with so many threads popping up about this lol. I've said this before and I'll say it again.. The only way I would Find a parser acceptable is to add them to training dummies so that anyone can test there DPS, in Private, on there own time, and NOT everyone elses. The best way to do that would to be update Stone, Sky, Sea to provide this so players can see more then just a bar of depleting HP lol. Besides.. If your a PC Player, chances are that you're already using a 3rd party program that the Devs (and yoshida said himself when the question was asked AGAIN at the last Fan Fest) are well aware that players are using them.

(Semi Off topic side note: New & most returning players can't even access Stone, Sky, Sea until they unlock HW content and get to Idylshire. This was not very well thought out lol It would be wise to add new NPCs in ARR and now SB areas to give access to Stone, Sky, Sea)

[TheMax1087]

The only way I would Find a parser acceptable is to add them to training dummies so that anyone can test there DPS, in Private, on there own time, and NOT everyone elses.

What you just described is completely useless. Any parse number is meaningless by itself without others to compare it to, not to mention an unmoving training dummy isn't a very good way to test your dps for multiple reasons

[Jadub2k]

What you just described is completely useless. Any parse number is meaningless by itself without others to compare it to, not to mention an unmoving training dummy isn't a very good way to test your dps for multiple reasons

Yes, Exactly.. And possibly just as useless as the same multiple reasons for not adding one to the game by wasting devtime to make an Official Parse when (as I said in my post) People are ALREADY using them.. If your on PS your just out of luck. Because this games track record has shown that releasing a half-baked system will not be anywhere near what a 3rd party program is doing, and I myself do not want that or parse in general. They themselves for years now have expressed multiple times that they do not want to put dev time into one, & as long as this game remains in "Play it Safe mode" its never going to happen..

[Driavna]

If you ask me addons like Skada (not only damage done, but taken, interrupts, fails at mechanics, overhealing, damage mitigation, etc), combat logs and death recaps are mandatory, the more info you have the better. When I was a RL I wanted to be informed before taking any decision.

People always use the excuse of dicks and what not, but in my experience even when you are polite and offer enough information some still act as kids. At the end of the day is more about not getting their egos hurts than anything else.

[Laerune]

While I would like to have a damage meter so I can improve myself, personal experience has shown me that majority will abuse the damage meter to demean and insult other players so they themselves can feel better. If everyone used the damage meter with the intend to help their fellow players, then there would not be any excuse for SE to add them to the game. But SE has seen from other mmorpg's that the damage meter will do more harm then good. People who are friends or raiders who play toghter often will use the tool to improve and help their fellow players, but a stranger in the DF, probably wont do the same.

I have seen people mention how the damage meter is not abused in WoW right now and while I can not confirm this, I do know that when the addon was released in the first 2-3 years, I witnessed the community become a toxic cesspool, this is when WoW community also started getting a bad reputation. People were excluding others alot of content, newcomers were abused and excluded from content and the worst was when people started to use the damage meter in level 15-70 dungeons and kicking newcomers for not meeting the standards that they have set.

With FFXIV, I do not know if our community will be as bad as the one in WoW, but right now we already have people being very toxic towards others. At the end of the day, if someone is a bad player and does not care, they will not change, even if there is a damage meter.