Dam. meter

[Lyraele]

Can people please give me a list of cons for a personal parser (Only you can see your damage numbers) and explain in detail how it can be abused? All I hear is about a public one.

Well, what would probably happen is that others will demand people give them their personal parse numbers with varying degrees of punishment for people that refuse to do so. That said, I personally wouldn't mind a personal parser, I'm on PS4 and kinda just have to assume I'm doing alright if the run is going well.

[Orbiaus]

Well, what would probably happen is that others will demand people give them their personal parse numbers with varying degrees of punishment for people that refuse to do so. That said, I personally wouldn't mind a personal parser, I'm on PS4 and kinda just have to assume I'm doing alright if the run is going well.

I agree that could happen but having played since the start I highly doubt it would be asked unless people suspected you of low dps. I do believe it can be subject to some abuse but nothing like a public parser may get. It would be a fantastic add on for a PS4 user like myself.

[Xlantaa]

No. I'm starting see party finder groups with things like "have at least purple rank on FFlogs". The DPS obsession is going too far. It is better cut off this from root and block any kind of parser. This is becoming insane. FFlogs is not a official shit. Stop comparing everyone with that garbage web.

I always was like neutral (neutral like "use it but don't fuck it with it). But now I change my mind. Put and end to this. No more parsers, official or not.

[Arrius]

If you can tell someone is just spamming Ruin II you can talk to them or remove them right? I mean, if you're able to notice that without a parser then you don't need one. That's the thing. lol

Plus this kind of situation is so rare honestly that I don't see the benefit. :/

That's right, I can 'see' it these days when I run dungeons and certain raids when they don't pull up the full potential of their class. I guess that comes with leveling every job to 60.
However, I shouldn't need to be on the constant lookout for those who think to get a quick carry done, especially when its new content and my focus is on the fights. That's where a meter would definitely be helpful (for me).

And believe me, it happens more than enough that I take notice of this. When you don't nip this attitude in the bud, it will become a serious problem you have to deal with in the upcoming expansion.

No. I'm starting see party finder groups with things like "have at least purple rank on FFlogs". The DPS obsession is going too far. It is better cut off this from root and block any kind of parser. This is becoming insane. FFlogs is not a official shit. Stop comparing everyone with that garbage web.

I don't see the problem with this - People want to clear it on a high level of performance from the players and this is totally fine. It's the same like saying "High DPS/Skip Soar/No bonus", just that they will be able to validate your performance by the meters to see if you're who you tell them to be.

If you don't think you can manage to get on that level they are requiring from you, you can simply look for another party. No grey hair lost on them, right?

[Xlantaa]

I don't see the problem with this - People want to clear it on a high level of performance from the players and this is totally fine. It's the same like saying "High DPS/Skip Soar/No bonus", just that they will be able to validate your performance by the meters to see if you're who you tell them to be.

If you don't think you can manage to get on that level they are requiring from you, you can simply look for another party. No grey hair lost on them, right?

The problem is word "starting". When something "starts" some day will become norm. As the speedruns becomes norm in dungeons, or the skip CS in main scenario dungeons or the "skip soar" shit. People can adopt this as norm, turning the community in a entitled bullshit, to the point of parse on dungeons and kick people for not being in the top tier DPS in a fucking leveling casual dungeon. People it is like this, and already probed a lot of times. (the skip soar shit is one of the probes)

This behavior will cause the exclusion of players, dividing community in tiers. Instead of being a game for everyone as is intended.

Today was one party, tomorrow will be two. Next day will be three, and in the end, will be the norm. And this is the problem. It is not a isolated thing. This will grow.

Also, you're using a unofficial tool, that thins shouldn't even been allowed.

[Llan]

@Arrius

I still disagree with you then. I think you feel it as a much bigger problem then I do.
I think leveling every class to 60 is an option that people have. Some people have more time in their hands to do that then others, you can't use this in an argument and think it justifies you being grumpy about having people that don't put effort every now and then. And believe me, I know it doesn't happen as often as you say it does. You get upset more easily than other people do about it.

Regardless of this, they are most likely to not add this feature because the community doesn't agree at all. We have a very split opinion on this as you can see by this thread thus it will harm either way. Might as well not have it.

[thegreatonemal]

Parsers in and of themselves are useless they just tell you the big number after the fact with no context. the log site is the reason paraser are used for improvement because it takes all that data and puts in it a format you can digest and provides the context for how you got that number and where you can fit more buffs and in cooldown usage. An ingame parser is worthless without the log site so unless SE cuts a deal with them or attaches something like it to lodestone or something this whole discussion is worthless all you end up getting is a bunch of harassment because everyone has different standards on what good dps is.

[Khanscott]

Eh, the only catharsis some people have is making others as effing miserable as humanly possible. Needless to say, arbitrary numbers make a nice low hanging fruit for the adult children in the MMO crowd. As already stated, 3rd party parsers and arbitrary websites already exist in XIV to provide a means for "critics" who can't tell the difference between a percentile and a parrot.

This said, parsers can be used to self improve and get help diagnosing any issues in rotations. However, much like percentiles and parrots, people often can't tell between advice and passive aggression. But I'm not getting any closer to that collective existential crisis.

[dotsforlife]

I've said this before in the past and I'll say it again (concerning console players only). They should just apply a "lite" version of the existing ACT parser to the Idyllshire NPC Dummies just outside. Have it give enough feedback so players can see where their issues lie. Most of the gripe from console players is that they can't improve themselves using the tool. That's understandable. I don't see any problem with adding this tool to those dummies alone. You'd allow the console players to effectively improve and get a real grasp on their performance/mistakes while not allowing it to be abused on the fly during normal gameplay.

[Mycow8me]

I think there is a large difference between a parser and a gauge that the more full it is, the more damage your pushing. It's like a reason to test yourself to see how far you can push that gauge to fill. During periods of downtime the gauge will slowly lose its fill like if your dead or whatever. A gauge could be toggled on and off and is only able to be seen by the player using it obviously.

A parser on the other hand will allow someone to be like "Hey you need more accuracy cause your missing way to much." even though the person knows already and is waiting for an upgrade but gets angry cause they've been called out on it. A parser is literally used to find problems while a gauge that fills would be a neat way to energize a person into trying their best assuming they use it. Of course it can be distracting for some people to, especially during an EX or intense/focus fight so it should be toggleable cause not everyone wants one. I would use it though.