Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Annoynymoose]

bswpayton's replies reminds me of this Wiping City run I had earlier

Click on the sad emoticon.

Jokes aside, I really don't know how and what else should we say to convince you otherwise. If you refuse to even do a simple mechanic that probably won't even last for 30 seconds, I really think this game isn't for you at all.

Also, quit saying that you're speaking on behalf of the "new players". It's just you honestly.

[HyoMinPark]

We hate ourselves.

Literally just choked on my food.
It's so true.

[Vidu]

Literally just choked on my food.
It's so true.

Please spit it out ;_; Dont die, we need you!

[bswpayton]

Ask yourself how much enjoyment would come from fighting Bahamut and it turns out that there was a boss in your very first dungeon that was more challenging... at this very moment, there is a thread on the frontpage, made by a person whos complaining about dungeons in the mainstory because it takes them to long in the queue (as DPS, queueing for a specific lowlevel dungeon... yeah, that can take a while), right now dungeons are blocking this persons enjoyment of the game - shall we remove them?

Well Im just been defending a person who wrote this thread I dont know if they are new or not and another thread I saw as well over the past month. Everyone here is claiming this content is easy so I dont see exactly where the hard part or challenge is coming from.

Pause for a second do you think that if people actually played the game to its fullest that I would be saying any of what Im saying I wouldnt be. But the fact of the matter is finding friends that want to do a level 50 raid sync isnt easy you have attested to this yourself. This game is not a full game if you want to say Im assuming that its this small group of people Im defending you guys are doing the very same thing counting the random sync party in pf as a bunch of people. Whens the last time you did a sync run of binding coil with some friends are in the pf? The fact of the matter is its not just me I have fc members that ask to do coil and everyone just tells them to unsync it. Even if they nerfed one shot mechanics if those went in sync would they still not have that same challenge? Im not advocating for to remove the challenge Im advocating for unsync to be faceroll because its unsync also I even mention having different moods to fit a persons preference I mention it earlier in one my post.

They could even do a scaled echo if you just wana see the story only then give everyone 90 percent echo. If you want a challenge, then sync it or put as little echo in it as possible. Ive writtin back on this many times so Im sure that where I said different levels of unsync would be better. I just want a purpose to this feature, cause right now it doesnt seem to have one other than undersized parties. If people are runnin stuff unsync and still cant get a clear on something then I think that its something wrong with the feature, like Ive said many times people can fail in sync content. I think an echo scale would actually be good for all content because some people dont want echo at all and some need it. Even tho I doubt as many people as you say really want to do this content I think echo scale would be the best type of compromise.

@Istaru

How would I just want this type thing for myself, I have already mention that I dont do content I havent had the chance to clear sync unsync. So I acutally wouldnt even touch coil like Ive stated many times. Even if its undersized I know that wasnt the original design and that when the content was out that I didnt have fell cleave on warrior, or have royal A for pali so Id rather not do it being that op and call it a clear. Its fabricated to me so I dont even count doing 1 to 5 as doing them it simply was just seeing a cinematic. I would like to see the rest but I stand by my rule for myself, but if others want it easy then let them have it I cant force my agenda and how I play on other people. (Hence Im sayin old and outdated content only dont touch the new stuff)

[ReplicaX]

Its old and the chance of doing it sync is pretty low even u guys have mention ur struggles trying get a party for it. So because it's old I just want those who want to enjoy the content without any hurdles and to get past it.

The Sync'd version requires time for a party to learn it period.

Content like this is where friends and FCs come in and many of us that have been around and done this content when it was new have helped newer folks beat them sync'd over the yrs.

However, if that player doesn't want to take the time to learn it or wants to quit after a few wipes, then they should just do unsync'd or not bother at all. Detuning already adjusted content for sync is just a disservice to the experience, which is the whole point of the unsync'd option.

This is exactly why you will queue for hrs for it sync'd. No one wants to take the time in a DF environment.

[HyoMinPark]

Im not advocating for to remove the challenge Im advocating for unsync to be faceroll

If you fail to see that these two things are one and the same, then I don't know what to tell you.

Ive writtin back on this many times so Im sure that where I said different levels of unsync would be better.

Actually, I'm pretty sure you just keep repeating how:

--Unsynced is a trash feature, and it shouldn't even be in this game
--Unsynced should equal automatic clear; if it doesn't, it shouldn't even be in this game
--Unsynced should equal faceroll; if it doesn't, it shouldn't even be in this game

But never have you said that "different levels of unsync" would be a good option.

I just want a purpose to this feature

It does have a purpose. Just because you fail to see it doesn't mean that it's not there.

If people are runnin stuff unsync and still cant get a clear on something then I think that its something wrong with the feature, like Ive said many times people can fail in sync content.

No. If people cannot clear content that is already made easier (note that I am not saying it is without mechanics or automatically faceroll-easy), then that is not a fault of the content or the unsynced feature, but a fault of the player themselves. They need to then step back, take a look at what it is that is giving them so much trouble, and then improve.

This can apply to both synced and unsynced content.

How would I just want this type thing for myself, I have already mention that I dont do content I havent had the chance to clear sync unsync. So I acutally wouldnt even touch coil like Ive stated many times. Even if its undersized I know that wasnt the original design and that when the content was out that I didnt have fell cleave on warrior, or have royal A for pali so Id rather not do it being that op and call it a clear. Its fabricated to me so I dont even count doing 1 to 5 as doing them it simply was just seeing a cinematic.

Again, this sounds like a personal problem.

I would like to see the rest but I stand by my rule for myself, but if others want it easy then let them have it I cant force my agenda and how I play on other people. (Hence Im sayin old and outdated content only dont touch the new stuff)

Stop holding everyone else to your (ridiculous) standards. You are trying to "force" your agenda on other players by advocating for "NERF OR NOTHING" when it comes to Coil or any other "old" or "outdated" content. Don't think that just because you aren't saying to nerf "new stuff" that you aren't asking for nerfs period.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

bswpayton's replies reminds me of this Wiping City run I had earlier

Click on the sad emoticon.

That is a beautiful sight.

[Vidu]

Well Im just been defending a person who wrote this thread I dont know if they are new or not and another thread I saw as well over the past month. Everyone here is claiming this content is easy so I dont see exactly where the hard part or challenge is coming from.
Pause for a second do you think that if people actually played the game to its fullest that I would be saying any of what Im saying I wouldnt be. But the fact of the matter is finding friends that want to do a level 50 raid sync isnt easy you have attested to this yourself. This game is not a full game if you want to say Im assuming that its this small group of people Im defending you guys are doing the very same thing counting the random sync party in pf as a bunch of people. Whens the last time you did a sync run of binding coil with some friends are in the pf? The fact of the matter is its not just me I have fc members that ask to do coil and everyone just tells them to unsync it. Even if they nerfed one shot mechanics if those went in sync would they still not have that same challenge? Im not advocating for to remove the challenge Im advocating for unsync to be faceroll because its unsync also I even mention having different moods to fit a persons preference I mention it earlier in one my post.

They could even do a scaled echo if you just wana see the story only then give everyone 90 percent echo. If you want a challenge, then sync it or put as little echo in it as possible. Ive writtin back on this many times so Im sure that where I said different levels of unsync would be better. I just want a purpose to this feature, cause right now it doesnt seem to have one other than undersized parties. If people are runnin stuff unsync and still cant get a clear on something then I think that its something wrong with the feature, like Ive said many times people can fail in sync content. I think an echo scale would actually be good for all content because some people dont want echo at all and some need it. Even tho I doubt as many people as you say really want to do this content I think echo scale would be the best type of compromise.

1) We are not only talking about doing this content synched, but also about the enjoyment that can still come from unsyched runs. No one of us is saying that a new person shouldnt be able to enjoy this content unsyched
2) "I just want a purpose to this feature, cause right now it doesnt seem to have one other than undersized parties." - highlighted and copied again, because: That and excatly and only that is the purpose of this feature. You want it to have a purpose? It has one. Exactly the one you mention yourself in the very same sentence. That feature was always to be intended to have excatly that purpose: Not needing a full group anymore. I'm sorry that you missunderstood something here and are still not able to understand what it means.
3) You have "FC members", as in "multiple ones" that would like to do this content synched or unsyched? So, why arent they doing it together?
4) "People are not playing this game to it fullest" - as in "People are not enjoying every aspect of the game" shouldnt never equal "lets cut away everything one specific person doesnt enjoy". My hardcore raiding friend doesnt enjoy crafting, so he isnt enjoying or playing the whole game (and a lot of people dont seem to like crafting). Doesnt mean that crafting has to go. People not enjoying challenging content does not mean that it has to be removed for those who who do.
5) People are "struggeling" with this content because they ignore mechanics. Actively ignore them. You can fail TamTara NM unsyched if you ignore the mechanic of killing the imps at the last boss. You can stand there and the boss wont take any damage unless they're dead. TamTara. Second dungeon in the game. And you can fail it, if you dont do mechanics. OP said himself that they ignored a mechanic and failed because of that. If people got through like 15 dungeons or so (and 6 trials) before they unlock coil and had to deal with mechanics everyhwere, I'm sure they can deal with mechanics in Coil aswell now.
6) If a person cant clear content but thousands of other people were able to - whos at fault here? The person or the content?

You need to stop pampering new people you dont even know and pretend you're acting in their best intrest.

[bswpayton]

1) We are not only talking about doing this content synched, but also about the enjoyment that can still come from unsyched runs. No one of us is saying that a new person shouldnt be able to enjoy this content unsyched

I admit that I didn't know that the op said he purposely skipped the mechanic , I thought that they were sayin that it was just to difficult for them to get past. I havent brought it up but I know my friends that are full time crafters did some unsync runs of coil turn 9 and cleared it maybe 13 to I dont remember. So knowing that they stay out of battle content , I didnt really think that it was too difficult.

I thought that maybe the op just simply couldnt get past the one shot mechanics , its 300 something reply's on here so I guess I missed it. But if its avoidable one shot stuff then I mean you just have to kinda figure it out (but I still think that scaling echo would be a better solution for those whom dont even wana do this). I remember when I did t5 I was wondering what it was that was killin me so I looked up msqtech and saw what the deal was and it was pretty simple. I was under the impression that some people where just having trouble in general and was sayin that , sense its old an outdated it shouldnt be the case. So I apologize missing that tid bit, but I do still believe for uysnc to actually mean something that it should in fact lead to an automatic clear. NO not just the mob explode and they are dead but people shouldnt have to spend more than a few hours for stuff that people arent even runnin on a regular basis anymore

[Vidu]

I was under the impression that some people where just having trouble in general and was sayin that , sense its old an outdated it shouldnt be the case. So I apologize missing that tid bit, but I do still believe for uysnc to actually mean something that it should in fact lead to an automatic clear. NO not just the mob explode and they are dead but people shouldnt have to spend more than a few hours for stuff that people arent even runnin on a regular basis anymore

Are you aware what automatic clear means? Maybe english isnt your first language, but automatic pretty much means "it happens without you doing anything". That is "mobs just explode". Currently you dont have to spend more than a few hours to get any coil-clears when running the content unsyched - you have however to know what you're doing. If you dont know what you're doing in TamTara NM, you can stay in that dungeon in the end and never finish it while the timer runs out.

Unsyched T11 (the turn the OP was having trouble with) has basically three things you need to look out for and I've listed them for you before:
- dont stand in Kalias hitbox because or barofield - this isnt even a problem if you're level 60, just a good thing not to do
- keep the adds seperated from each other and kill two of them roughly at the same time (bonus if you dont stand in your group with lightning and if you stay close to the adds, so you can actually deal damage)
- keep blue and green theters apart from each other.

It is not much. It is not difficult. OP even said somewhere that he guessed they had to keep the adds apart from each other but that they didnt know that before. They even figured it out, knew what their mistake was but instead of trying again and excuting the mechanic correctly they felt that it was to difficult to do.
(to be fair: they also talked about to possibilty of the boss glichting, which would be a technical error, that needs fixing, but not adjustment of the content)
"Automatic", 100% clears can only happen without any mechanics, however simple they may be, present.
You have stated again and again that you've never set foot into those fights. You cant possibly judge how hard or easy and how "nerf-worthy" they are. Please stop doing that, until you've seen the fight - and if you never see it because of your self inflicted limitations, dont speak about it again.