Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[HyoMinPark]

I'll just start off by saying that, if people do not want to read this entire post (as it will probably be long, because I haven't yet gotten gud at writing short responses to things), they can just read this quote, and what I have to say about here, and stop. Because it's basically one of the main points in my arguments here.

I haven't done coil Im pretty sure its face roll

Now we have established that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Please tell me why you should be this advocating expert for the "little guy" in this game, when you are advocating for nerfing (because, yes, you are asking for a nerf to Coil by making unsynced equate to automatic clear) something that you have never stepped foot into, and thus have no expertise on?

That would be like me saying "Ugh. A12S is so hard. It needs to be nerfed so that the new players that want something to do before Stormblood can PUG in DF, and proceed to just watch Alexander Prime spontaneously combust at the start of the duty."

Note that I have never been inside A12S before, and my knowledge of its mechanics are limited, as I have only watched streams my friends do, and they don't give a run-down of mechanics in their streams. Thus, I have no right to call for nerfs for this imaginary "little guy" I can't even prove exists. Same concept applies to you and Coil

Okay, that's the short version. Those who are interested in more can read on. Those who aren't, I won't be offended. :>

Like I said its a good thing that the story is separated from alex savage than alex normal , that way this same problem will not continue that people seem to be having with binding coil. Just judging from the post here there seems to be a problem that people or having and Im just always on the side of the little guy when it comes to this game.

So, one person posting about how they couldn't clear T11 UNSYNCED because there were still mechanics involved in UNSYNCED equates to bunches of people having issues with the content? The only other thread I have seen about someone having a problem with Coil was the person who said they wanted it removed from Wonderous Tails because it was "too hard." Except, it's not, if you do mechanics, because yes, even in unsynced, they still exist. They may be skipped, but that doesn't mean that they aren't still there, and that you won't possibly see them.

And in my experience since I dont and wont to do coil (despite wanting to see the story and gettin the song anwers ),everything unsync is face roll and sense I will not be doing any alex unsync as well then the trend will continue for me personally

There's that phrase again. I'm going to say it one more time: Your experience =/= Fact. It is an opinion based off of what you've seen when you run things unsynced. That does not make it true for everyone. That does not make it a fact.

You are undeserving of the Answers Orchestrion Roll. Since you won't put forth the effort to even obtain it. Which, if you would get over this crap about "I won't take rewards from unsynced clears" (stop rolling on ponies then), you would have a chance to obtain the 3 faded copies you need to make the orchestrion roll. And you would get to see the story. If there's one thing I have noticed, when people are doing Coil clears for someone, they are perfectly okay with letting them watch and enjoy all of the cutscenes.

I just hope that if the problem persist through hw that the devs will hear those who are new or that stayed out of the way so that people wouldnt get on their case for not being good enough at the time content was current, that content will be made in a way unsync so that they can to get whatever fulfillment they get out of doing said content.

I don't see anyone here saying that. All I see is people saying that, if one is still having trouble clearing something--synced or unsynced--then they should probably look at what is giving them trouble, and learn from it. In this thread's case, it seems to just be mechanics in general. Thus why people are saying "Hey, you can't ignore them, even in unsynced! Because this is what could happen!"

You will never and I repeat hear me calling for a nerf to sync or current content, I am pretty good at acceptance even if for some reason I cant get past a hurdle Id rather accept that I cant do it than ask for a nerf on that content.

But it's okay to ask for nerfs in content that you deem irrelevant, or not current?

But if someone waits or is late and their only method to do something is to run it unsync then they should have the right wit that feature to be able to get past any hurdle in the game, because once something goes usync at that point it no longer matters anymore and people have moved on to something new and up to date.

That, again, is your opinion that older content doesn't matter. Some of my favorite content I did throughout this game was some of the Level 50 dungeons. Lost City of Amdapor is my favorite because of the music, and the detail in its scenery. But I guess I just don't care about that content, and I have moved on, because it's not "up to date."

As far as mentor goes I dont even do mentor roulette , but Im the type of person that if I did I wouldnt abandon a duty or anything like that and as it stands its not to much content I havent cleared that would be in the mentor roulette if I did do it outside of (titan which not even gona get on that instance).[/quote]

I have no idea what you're saying here, but if you ever plan on doing Mentor Roulette, you have to clear everything that is required to unlock it. Even Titan Ex. Not clearing doesn't mean it won't show up in the roulette. Titan Ex is not even that difficult anymore if you, le gasp, follow mechanics. Synced down, or unsynced at level 60.

I just simply am of two minds you work when it counts and unsync just simply doesnt count in my book its a trash feature but its a means to an end and has its purpose.

Your opinions are not facts~. Sing it with me! All together now!

But if the feature isnt leading to automatic clears for everyone then it has a very limited purpose , and should be reevaluated , like I said if people wont to fail they can do something sync , unsync should be automatic clear regardless of skil level to give everyone their chance of clearing content that no longer has any value

If people want to fail at anything, they'll just /sit and let the boss punch them until they're dead. People fail in unsynced content all the time. Do you know how many times people die in T5 unsynced if they don't handle Twisters correctly? Basically everyone that doesn't, because that mechanic still kills you at level 60.

Value is subjective. Just because Coil has no value to you (apparently, from your posts in this thread) does not mean that it doesn't have value for others. I think that it's been shown time and time again in this thread that there are still those that value Coil in any form: synced, un-nerfed, unsynced, Echo version, etc..

And yea they put maybe the first three legs of coil in wt , but that doesnt change the fact that the majority of people will just get one or two people go in unsync and get in and get out just like they do with the arr primals. I dont waste my time with wt not about that rng life , but no Im not defending lazy people this is not the only post regarding to some players having issues with coil. There have been others and sense everything else unsync is faceroll then I see no reason to not make coil the same sense it is old and nobody is runnin it anyway so it shouldnt matter to anyone. And some of the things people have said makes sense ,but alot of it not so much Id be right there arguing with others about nerfing current content that people still play and do.

All Turns show up in Wonderous Tails. Last week I had T8 as one of mine. This week I have T3 and T13 (yay! <3).

Again, I only recall this post and one other commenting about how hard unsynced Coil is. But I guess that counts as "the majority."

Caring about content or not, is again, subjective. If no one "cares" about Coil, then who are those (including myself) posting here disagreeing with you? Last I checked, we aren't Nobodies. This is not Kingdom Hearts. And people do still run Coil. I'm sorry that you are apparently blind to that fact, but just because you say "no one runs Coil anymore, so it's content that doesn't matter" does not make such so.

So once they [raids] go to the grave yard then it doesnt matter what they do to the content cause whos setting up statics to do binding coil, whos gona be settin up statics to do alex savage when omega comes out nobody.

"I now deem this content old and irrelevant. Therefore, it does not matter what the developers do to the content. They could strip it of everything that makes it interesting, and I would not care. Because nobody runs it anymore! Also, I can see into the future, and I see nobody caring to run Alexander because Omega is the latest fad."

Okay.

You guys would have it that even after nobody is dong the raid nobody cares nobody wants to even touch it , its outdated new stuff is here that even still then you want to make clearing them exclusive. Like the stranglehold people want on content is just crazy to me , who cares about a raid once a new one is here so who cares if they nerf it in a way that anybody can clear them?

I still don't see where people are saying that those who weren't around with Coil was relevant have no right to the content with regards to clearing it. What I do see is people saying that, even unsynced, there are still these things called "mechanics" that cannot necessarily be ignored, or else they will just cause unnecessary issues; issues that could have been avoided if one just simply followed the mechanics.

So did people skip the 103 quest to hw because unsync allowed them to do it nope I dont think so, if anything the community has modified my attitude on these instances. I was the type that you know viewed this whole game as you know a whole entire game but its not tho, this game is what every patch that we are currently on. So once stormblood hits dont tell me that 75 percent of the game will aside from leveling be ran unsync on the regular because 50 percent of it now sure is.

Yes, because once Stormblood hits, no one new is going to come to this game, and run that older ARR garbage. Or even Heavensward. That stuff is so last expansion, so nobody cares about it anymore.

I see percentages. Please provide some evidence to support your figures. I can wait.

Like Im not in some fantasy land I know what I see on the party finder unsync snowcloak just need for anima, usnync pony farms quick burns this is what people think of old content.

Heh.

because with unsync everything is zerg the boss whether you like it or not.

But, I was zerging Ramuh-sempai, and then he killed me with his Judgement Bolt. D:

This statement is so false, I don't even have to explain why it's false. But I will. *clears throat* Just because you run something unsynced, does not mean that the mechanics are magically removed from the duty. You may skip them, and avoiding having to deal with them because you skipped, or you may not skip them, which, in that case, you better be prepared to handle them.

Can't skip meteors in T9. You have to deal with them, and you have to deal with the Golems. Sorry to disappoint you there. You can't ignore adds in Ramuh Ex. You have to deal with them. Same with the Wavetooth in Leviathan Ex. I can't tell you how many deaths I saw to people just ignoring it, it dropping it's lovely hysteria puddles, and people sliding into them when Levi would tilt the arena. Those same people then proceeded to run around the arena, and most of them just walked right off the edge.

Again Im not being unrealistic I am being real and being observant of the player base at least those on my server and what I see in the party finder.

Sorry, but 1/5 of the playerbase is not sufficient enough to speak for the majority.

And according to someone else in another thread, they pointed out that Primal does have PFs for things (I believe this was in the "There's no Learning Parties in PF"/"Let us keep EX primals in DF"/"Raid Finder sucks" thread).

I just started in hw , and this game has shown me unsync old stuff it doesnt matter do the new stuff for birds, and keep up with each new challenge in the current patch.

I also started in Heavensward, but I guess someone forgot to pass that memo on to me.

All people care about is progression they dont care about the fact that this is a whole game, so no Im not disrespecting you but just being real and honest

That's not "real" or "honest"; that is a generalization.

sigh just because they are there they are pretty much not even there you know on those same adds in sync mood you may have to actually do a rotation or something to get them down. when its unsync you can literally do one combo and they are dead one fire 4 they are dead , one fell cleave dead, If you want to call that a mechanic b my guess but their health goes down faster than a level one striking dummy so I wouldnt exactly call it that.

Above quote was regarding how you listed off ARR Ex primals, and some of the mechanics one had to do to clear them. And guess what, the adds do not necessarily die in one combo, and even if they did, that one combo is still part of a rotation. If you didn't have to do a rotation to down adds, then auto-attacking them would be a sufficient way of killing them. But, as it is now, that is not the case. You still have to kill those Ramuh adds, or else, Ramuh-sempai will get very angry, and RAMUH SMASH.

If it looks like a mechanic and quacks like a mechanic, it probably is a mechanic.

People can literally go in bis and ravana ignore 70 percent of the mechanics and kill them 99 times in less than an hour if you wana call that not give me then your welcome to that as well.

If you could prove this, or somehow make a video showing that you have the sick skillz to kill Ravana 99 times within 1 hour (that would require each run to only be 1.65 seconds, and no more), then I will retract all of my comments, and forever bow down to you.

Instead of tryin to change what the norm is Ive accepted it , and am pretty much of the mindset lets just give people what they want easy mood in old content because again this game is based on everyone not the few niche players that view this game as a whole package

.....wait. Didn't you just say a few posts ago that this game is not a singular piece of content, but an entire game?

All people care about is progression they dont care about the fact that this is a whole game

Ah, there it is. Oh. And here it is again a few posts later.

I wanted to try everything in the game simply because I view the game as a whole game.

Im actually surprised that people see things differently because its very apparent if you watch and observe thats how it is and its not gona change.

You keep making these claims about the majority, but I have still yet to see any evidence backing them up. If you are going to state something, and claim it to be a fact, then you need to also bring evidence to the table to support your "fact." And no, your personal views do not count as evidence.

So your going to deny what you see in your pf everyday people even here say that nobody does coil sync.

Are we even reading the same thread? Because I recall several people saying that there are still the occasional synced Coil parties in PF. Or, was I just imagining things?

If you are running it unsync how do you not want easy mood, the flip side of that is not easy whether its from challenge or time spent. So like I said its a means to an end, but it is clearly much easier to do and is used if the option is there. If SE just randomly decided hey sense sb is coming out in less than two months in patch 3.57 lets go ahead and implement the unsync feature now. Im willing to bet nearly every instance on pf would be unsync every last one of them that is how the feature works its the easy way out and people are gona take it 9 times out of 10.

So, since we're taking bets, what are you willing to bet on this made-up event that isn't even going to happen, but you say that it is so, so it must be?

And yes. I enter T13 just me and one other person to duo it because we just want the easy way out. We don't want to challenge ourselves. We don't want to beat Bahamut with just a WAR and an AST. Nope.

And I'm not going to add another quote to this, but just because you have friends that don't want to challenge themselves does not mean that there are not people out there that do. So, making unsynced = automatic clear for this "majority" of people that don't want to challenge themselves is still not a valid argument. And if you're picking friends based on their level of "casualness" or "elitistness," then you are basing your friendships on the wrong kind of qualities. Should probably re-evaluate that.



I've exhausted myself now. Didn't reply to everything like I wanted, because some things were so convoluted or made so little sense, I couldn't wrap my head around them. But I think this covers the major points that stood out to me in your responses.