Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[bswpayton]

I finally figured it out!

Ive just given up the fight like I said I waited to do hw primals I play at my own pace havent even finished the msq yet, because I didnt have to , to do the primals so I did just did enough to get to the endgame content and raids. Well I admit because of the outlook on doing old content I will not be doing this any longer this time Ill do the msq as fast as everyone else and be on time for content because it dies fast.

Instead of tryin to change what the norm is Ive accepted it , and am pretty much of the mindset lets just give people what they want easy mood in old content because again this game is based on everyone not the few niche players that view this game as a whole package. So pretty much come stormblood if it isnt 4.0 everything else is irreverent and who really cares what happens to it is what Ive learned from this games community and I just embrace it now instead of tryin to be an outlier. Im actually surprised that people see things differently because its very apparent if you watch and observe thats how it is and its not gona change.

[Settiesama]

1)Ive just given up the fight like I said I waited to do hw primals.
2)Instead of tryin to change what the norm is Ive accepted it , and am pretty much of the mindset lets just give people what they want easy mood in old content because again this game is based on everyone not the few niche players that view this game as a whole package.

1) So you waited to do HW primal, to have them easier? Earlier on you were saying you wanted things to be as challenging as possible for your level. Again, contradiction.

2) You are tying to change it from what you've been saying, you haven't accepted it at all. Still you speak for this mysterious majority who none of us have ever heard from, time to stop listening to the voices in your head.

Edit: All of your replies have literally accumulated into: Please turn old raid content into a movie so new and lazy people don't have to lift a finger.

[bswpayton]

1) So you waited to do HW primal, to have them easier? Earlier on you were saying you wanted things to be as challenging as possible for your level.

No I actually waited to do hw primals because I wasnt going to skip over arr primals or the 24 mans etc I wanted to try everything in the game simply because I view the game as a whole game. And also I never wanted to leave the nn I loved the feature of a huge portion of players all in one setting , so I didnt even want to leave for a day so I acutally hit level 60 on my whm, got all my other jobs to level 50. Used turn ins to level my gsm and miner to level 60 so that I could become a mentor within the same day of finally beating the arr story. So I had my reasons and again its because I had no idea at the time how content was treated I didnt even know about rf at the time, I thought that I would be able to do what I did for the hw primals the exact same way as I did the arr ones.

And I was wrong so no it wasnt me tryin to have it easy I view everything as a que I dont care about drops , I dont really care about anything really but tryin to be a good player. So your going to deny what you see in your pf everyday people even here say that nobody does coil sync. There arent voices in my head only just eyes I can clearly see what people are doing, so is it an illusion that on my data center that nobody is doing any alex below 9s? I have no reason to make things up that gets you know where its clearly what I see every day in pf, no bonus parties, the occasional learning party, farm or clear partys for all hw stuff. And then unsync everything else maybe primal is different because thats what I will see any given day all day when I log it , Im not going to base something happening on a regular basis if it only happens every blue moon.

If you are running it unsync how do you not want easy mood, the flip side of that is not easy whether its from challenge or time spent. So like I said its a means to an end, but it is clearly much easier to do and is used if the option is there. If SE just randomly decided hey sense sb is coming out in less than two months in patch 3.57 lets go ahead and implement the unsync feature now. Im willing to bet nearly every instance on pf would be unsync every last one of them that is how the feature works its the easy way out and people are gona take it 9 times out of 10.

@Vidu
I have maybe close to cap of people on my friends list not sure havent checked yet , but the thing is vidu it really just seems to be no in between the casual and the hardcore. I made alot of mentor friends as I never left the nn they are hardcore raiders and cool for the most part some have asked for me to even come fill in. Well I have had limited experience with content that they have been farming for months now so just like people dont want a bonus in their party I dont want to be the person to bring a group down with content that I dont know like the back of my hand. And my other friends are just as casual as it gets, some full time crafters, some that want even do the 24 mans that are afarid to do those. I have friends that dont even want to do shom al hard, I mean Im not gonna stop being their friends because they dont want to challenge themselves.

So Im wat you would call a player that can clear content because I have sometimes things take a little more work than others but Im a pretty decent tank and healer Id like to believe. But Im not perfect and ill admit that , and alot of that has to do with the fact that a dungeon for instance I know like the back of my hand even know where adds will come where they are etc all of this. Its because Ive seen and memorized this content enough to no everything with a primal or raid most I haven't even done them more than 5 times. Just simply because I dont have the friends to run them with because many people are causal and using pf is draining sometimes. So I use this feature to make my learning party learn the fight while Im in it and get my clear and then pretty much dont even touch it anymore, theres no pathway from learning to farming and I dont even know if Id want to deal with some of the farmers mentality simply based off of what they say when they make parties is just rude and uncalled for. But yes maybe being in a fc with 500 members that are very casual aside from the leaders in the fc , does effect my outlook on things. But its not like I never tired, I asked people all over my friend list hey come do zur extreme with me, come join my a10s party etc.

Sometimes it works but alot of times it seems that many people just simply arent interested in high level content are those whom are have a very elitist perfectionist mindset. But I understand what your saying though and agree with what your sayin for the most part in ur reply. But sometimes its just very difficult to be in the middle are be the niche player when others shy away from challenge, and maybe others are so awesome at it that you cant keep up. Perfect example if you know xenos from youtube with his man mood videos the dudes like a master tank I could never do stuff like them at least I dont think. So its just simply hard to know where to look and its just tiring when others arent interested in tryin new things when your the only one. So sometimes being the long wolf gettin my one or two clears on extremes or savage is all I can do because I dont know where I fit in on the scale of the player base just somewhere stuck in the middle. And this is truly my first reall mmo experience before this I was playing swtor which was pretty much a solo game , so its hard I guess to know how to pick the right friends in a game.

[Annoynymoose]

What in tarnation.

You have officially achieved maximum density.

[bswpayton]

You have officially achieved maximum density.

Its just called keeping it real like I said I know what I see in pf if I took screen shots for a week Im sure I wouldnt see one sync party for any thing thats old

[Istaru]

Words. More words. So many words. All the words!!!

[Vidu]

I have maybe close to cap of people on my friends list not sure havent checked yet , but the thing is vidu it really just seems to be no in between the casual and the hardcore. I made alot of mentor friends as I never left the nn they are hardcore raiders and cool for the most part some have asked for me to even come fill in. Well I have had limited experience with content that they have been farming for months now so just like people dont want a bonus in their party I dont want to be the person to bring a group down with content that I dont know like the back of my hand.

Two words: Your. Problem.

Guess what? This is my first MMO aswell. As in: my very first.
I spend the first two months crafting because I was so afraid to go into dungeons and play with other people. But that wasnt the fault or problem of the game - it was enterily on me.
I dont like guns, so guess what, I'll never buy and play a shooter!
A very important lesson you'll have to learn is that you wont always like everything and that you have to be okay with that.

If you dont take the offer of your friends to join you for content because you're to anxious about that, thats on you to overcome that - not on the game to change to fit your needs.
I'm not telling you to abandon any friends that wont join you for EX-primals - I'm simply saying: If you have the desire to do that content, it would be a good idea to look for other people who'd like to do the same and befriend them or create a linkshell to keep them close. Unless you have a weird policy of having only 10 friends and 30 acquaintances, it shouldnt be a problem to add people to that list, right?
(And if your friendslist is full, I can only advise that linkshell-thing again - 128 more slots and you can fill them to create a community of people who share intrests)

You have made it very clear here that all the problems you're having (and that you assume others are having too) stem from one problem and thats your attitude towards the game and the choices you've made. So before you consider that the game is broken and need to be fixed, take a moment for some insight and ask yourself "Did I created this problem?"
You've already changed your minds on queuing for EX-primals in DF and found out that its better to create a PF-party for them - congratulations!

A lot of people in this thread have stated again and again that they're not having issues with the content - yet, its obviously the same content for everyone. So clearly they must be doing something right, that you're failing at - but guess what: If they/we are doing it, so can you! You're limiting and hurting only yourself, which is sad because the game has a lot of great content to offer. I wont force anyone to experience any of it - but everyone should be aware that they have to play by the contents rules, not the content by theirs.

Its just called keeping it real like I said I know what I see in pf if I took screen shots for a week Im sure I wouldnt see one sync party for any thing thats old

Just because its not in PF doesnt mean that no one is doing it. And even if no one at all wants to do it - whats the problem? Because then the content just stays completly untouched and for all that we know it could be filled with butterflies by now.
If you are, however, on about "I want to do this, but no one is making a party for it!" again, I dont know what to tell you anymore...

[bswpayton]

Two words: Your. Problem.

Guess what? This is my first MMO aswell. As in: my very first. .

Im not sayin that Im not doing content I did miss alex 1 to 9 but I will be at least going into 11s and 12 s but Im very aware it took some people months to beat this content so I dont expect anything. Ive cleared every extreme primal but zurvan in hw, just got tired of dps dyin to soar and took a break from it for a while but will go back in. Again Im not sure how many times I must say Im not asking the game to change anything current at all. Im just agreeing with the op because from what I see A nobody is using it in df, B nobody is puttin any sync runs in pf either.

I just recently tried to help a fc mate do a2s because I had only done a1s and a4s and would like to get as much alex done sync while I can but the thing is nobody joined Like I mention before. When people come to these forums and say that people dont do this content why dont people listen , just because your friends may be cool about doing stuff many other people arent if you are reaching out to the whole player base as a whole via party finder. There are rules and balances to things just like its a meta in raids like all of this is stuff that the community makes and what they want for the most part to take place in the game happens. Whether that be no nubs in your parties, kicking people for under performing all of that is from a wave of what some players think things should go and others just follow the lead.

I remember I did dun scathe with a fc member was her first time , she died alot the party kicked her despite it not really effecting how the raid was going I said its her first time chill out I get kicked out right after for speakin up for a friend. See thats the kind of nonsense that goes on in this game, and those are the kinda people you have to deal with to do certain content sometimes its just maybe better to get your clear and be fine simply because when people think they are good being an ****hole tends to go with it. Id rather stand up for the little players that just want a chance because I know many that the reason they dont do content is because of egotistic players.

So its hard for me to agree with those type of players because of their attitudes. So thats why its easy to agree with op on this post the players that are commenting im sure did coil when it was relevant well its like they have had all this time to do it. So why shouldn't other people share that experience as well it is just unsync content at what point does it no longer matter anymore. Its not the content its the people, its always the people until that changes in the game it will always be a wedge, thats why I have been a get a clear move on to the next player sometimes its better than dealing with rude vile people.

[Dualgunner]

A whole lot of words that can be summed up as "People who have cleared are the bourgeoisie and the proletariat uncleared must rise!"

So you have nothing of value to add but "Noobs are weaksauce and need the vets to hold their hands through everything or have all difficulty curve steamrolled into a flat line."

[Vidu]

So you have nothing of value to add but "Noobs are weaksauce and need the vets to hold their hands through everything or have all difficulty curve steamrolled into a flat line."

That was basically their stance on EX-primals aswell already, yes - seperating experience people who want to farm and people who want to learn is bad in their book because those who want to learn will never be able to clear this way (since those who are experienced arent willing to help them). Basically assuming that anyone who (still) wants to clear EX-primals is totally unable to do that without having someone who knows the content well to hold their hand. As I said countless times on this specific matter again: Its a disrespectful and patronising towards them and unfair towards any vet/mentor/person who is willing to help to make those general assumption that new people arent able to clear content because they're to stupid on their own and everyone else is to egositic to help them when neither of those is true.

Ooh. More things to respond to.
Edit / massive post incoming.
I'll attempt to be brief.

Please dont be brief ;_; If we need massive textwalls, can we at least have them well written, thought through and structured properly?