Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Istaru]

But if the feature isnt leading to automatic clears for everyone then it has a very limited purpose , and should be reevaluated , like I said if people wont to fail they can do something sync , unsync should be automatic clear regardless of skil level to give everyone their chance of clearing content that no longer has any value

My head hurts...

It would be awesome if you could just like stop. Please?

It is called "Undersized Party". That is the intent to that mode.

I'm going to repeat myself, please say it with me, "Undersized Party".

Ok, good? Sigh

It's intent was to allow smaller groups to attemp to clear older content for people who missed it.

It is not "Game made EZ". It is also not "Faceroll to Victory".

You also stated "has no value". If it has no value whatsoever, why is anyone doing it? The answer is simple, it does have value. It may not have the value it once did, but it still has value nonetheless. Those are things such as a title, a minion, Wondrous Tails, glamour, crafting items, orchestrion scrolls, gear for level 50 jobs. There are many things to value. Just because they aren't level 60 endgame things does not mean they are without value.

Since you followed my premise, I'll follow yours.

Oh, you didn't? Not shocked, but I will work with what you stated anyway.

At the release of 5.0, all 4.x content becomes face roll easy from that mode since mechanics and effort are hard. Basically all the content becomes a piñata, you smack it around a little bit with your "gimme loot" button and loot comes flying out of it all of the place. So much loot you are still picking it up a week later.

If that is the intent, why bother to play 4.0 at all? Seriously. If I can complete everything from 4.0 in an hour and get all the rewards in a day or two, why spend 2 years doing the same thing??? The answer is that beyond friends and a desire for what would now become artificially challenging content, there isn't one.

To go a step further, what if everyone or most people came to this same conclusion and cancelled their subscription for an entire expansion as there was no longer any reason to learn anything while it was relevant? I'm fairly certain the answer would be, death of the game as we know it. The loss of revenue would cause them to drop the funding of the game due to lack of revenue generated.

That is at least partly why it is not gimme loot mode. I agree that old content should get easier over time. I disagree that it should go from a challenge to "rolling for loot while watching Netflix" just because an expansion happened.

[Settiesama]

Why am I still responding?

Because you secretly enjoy torturing yourself.

[bswpayton]

My head hurts..

But aside from rng what is not give me loot about the current arr primals when you run them unsync?

Ramuh beat him to the ground ignored just about every mechanic, but the adds done in less than five minutes.

Garuda beat her to the ground ignore the two adds ignore every mechanic but maybe spiny but she might be dead unsync before he even comes out less than 3 mins.

Levitan hold dps beat him to the ground dodge which even unsync can still cause some issues I guess but still done in less than 5 mins.

Shiva kill adds tank and spank kill her ignore all meahanics even if your friend gets stuck in the ice just burn the boss done less than five minutes.

Ifrit kill nails ignore tank swap ignore nails igore room wide aoe hold dps on on second set of nails done in less than 5 mins.

King moogle tank and spank less than five mins, Titan extreme Ill admit with him falling off the platform can still happen whatever level you are but he still can be tanked and spanked.

So did people skip the 103 quest to hw because unsync allowed them to do it nope I dont think so, if anything the community has modified my attitude on these instances. I was the type that you know viewed this whole game as you know a whole entire game but its not tho, this game is what every patch that we are currently on. So once stormblood hits dont tell me that 75 percent of the game will aside from leveling be ran unsync on the regular because 50 percent of it now sure is. Like Im not in some fantasy land I know what I see on the party finder unsync snowcloak just need for anima, usnync pony farms quick burns this is what people think of old content.

Just because you or I prefer sync method doesnt mean thats what the playerbase wants SE gave this feature and the playerbase took it and run with it. If the intent wasnt to make things faceroll thats role then it sure was a consiquence to the feature. And Ive already been debatin this already I think it will effect the game greatly no point to make a post about it but I think the feature is going to really effect the game in a negative way but its what the players want.

So image a player already has all the horses however they got them usync or whatever how long did it take them to get those horses Id say that the rng could of taken them a good bit of time. Well guess what with the hw primals you dont even have to worry about rng preventing you from your months just zerg the boss 99 times you can buy it gona cut down on lots of bird farming.

And unlike coil alexanders story isnt even in the savage version so its no need to even bother doing that as well, so basicly two major changes coming along the way. But people want it easy so Im just like **** it might as well make it as easy as possible so that people can get what they want. So what your saying is basicly whats already happened and will develop even more as time goes on. So I guess all I can say is I hope all new content is actually worth it and holds people over because with unsync everything is zerg the boss whether you like it or not.

@Vidu

Again Im not being unrealistic I am being real and being observant of the player base at least those on my server and what I see in the party finder. What you are talkin about is a niche group of a niche group I have stated I like challenge and want challenge. But I cant tell you how many times before I actually got to current content I was told and directed to you know catch up with everyone else. Ive stated before this isnt a game you can just simply do what you want to do this is a game thats very dependent on what the community is willing to do and the community aside from the small amount of people on this thread could give two craps about doing stuff once its old the proper way.

Ive made many post about tryin to do things sync and tryin to get a challenge from these things but every time I was met with get up to where we are now that stuffs old. Dont worry about level 50 stuff your rotations different now, I dont wana do old stuff cause I dont have all my moves is what people would say. Actually people on this forums even went as far to ask me to unlock my lodestone so they could see when I cleared primals oh because I cleared them when they wernt current I was some kind of horrible player. Are how people will even say now oh you cleared alex with echo , you didnt really clear it then should of done it current this is what elitist say. Like maybe its different on different servers, but even with pf I know what I see and I check any primal that isnt hw is ran unsync aside from the very rare person that goes against the grain. I just started in hw , and this game has shown me unsync old stuff it doesnt matter do the new stuff for birds, and keep up with each new challenge in the current patch.

All people care about is progression they dont care about the fact that this is a whole game, so no Im not disrespecting you but just being real and honest . Even the ones that said that oh its some sync coil runs in pf if we did the math on any given month what percentage would that be im willing to say not even one percent. So you want people to focus on something that less than 1 % of the player base wants I want it myself but I know im outnumbered but guess what as the saying goes the majority rules. Im just not in this delusional realm that people actually care about doing this content, because Ive clearly seen that they arent because like I said this game is about whats current and whats current only and that I guess is the nature of an mmo and its something I had to learn myself and maybe others in this thread should as well.

[Settiesama]

because with unsync everything is zerg the boss whether you like it or not.

Yet in the exact same post you commented how the Primals still require mechanics :x (Yes, adds are mechanics)

But aside from rng what is not give me loot about the current arr primals when you run them unsync?

Also my head hurts now trying to understand that.

Edit: Get the 'Undersized Party' statement that Itsaru and others have been trying to inform you drilled into your head. It's not there to make things instantly cleared, it's for HELPING and doing things without the need of a full party. Syncing is still an option and many still do it as such.

[bswpayton]

Yet in the exact same post you commented how the Primals still require mechanics :x (Yes, adds are mechanics)

sigh just because they are there they are pretty much not even there you know on those same adds in sync mood you may have to actually do a rotation or something to get them down. when its unsync you can literally do one combo and they are dead one fire 4 they are dead , one fell cleave dead, If you want to call that a mechanic b my guess but their health goes down faster than a level one striking dummy so I wouldnt exactly call it that.

I m very aware of your second statement but aside from coil and many people in here even said that can be done in that same five minutes, there are more mechanics you can ignore in the arr primals than you actually have to do. What I was saying is that other than rng there is no aspect of not getting easy loot, I was stating that in sb now we dont even have to worry about the rng part. People can literally go in bis and ravana ignore 70 percent of the mechanics and kill them 99 times in less than an hour if you wana call that not give me then your welcome to that as well.

[Istaru]

Another wall of text

We may need to contact Neil deGrasse Tyson. We have discovered a new densest thing in the universe.

People can literally go in bis and ravana ignore 70 percent of the mechanics and kill them 99 times in less than an hour if you wana call that not give me then your welcome to

I used to think I was ok at this game.

Can you do me a solid?

Setup a stream, can even be done from a PS4, showing you and a group clearing Bismarck 99 times in an hour.

Seriously, make it happen.

[Aramina]

But aside from rng what is not give me loot about the current arr primals when you run them unsync?

Because there is a line. Just because things are easier (very easy) now does not mean that they need to be made even EASIER. By your logic there should just be a random roll everytime you log on for any "old" item in game if RNG is all you truly believe is the difference.

[Vidu]

Again Im not being unrealistic I am being real and being observant of the player base at least those on my server and what I see in the party finder. What you are talkin about is a niche group of a niche group I have stated I like challenge and want challenge. But I cant tell you how many times before I actually got to current content I was told and directed to you know catch up with everyone else. Ive stated before this isnt a game you can just simply do what you want to do this is a game thats very dependent on what the community is willing to do and the community aside from the small amount of people on this thread could give two craps about doing stuff once its old the proper way.

Okay, I cant keep myself from responding to this, because you're still missing a really, really important part of the game and how its supposed to work, be played and how to sucessfully clear the content: Networking.

I am currently planning to reinstate a Coil-static to have a little challenge before Stormblood. Let me tell you how I'm doing this:
1) I asked two friends if they were intrested in doing so - they both were.
2) I made a post in the FB group of an "FC" - it has about 30 members, good number for a FC, if you ask me
3) So far three other people have said they're intrested in doing this content - I asked them yesterday evening.
4) I have created a linkshell over years now, thats purpose is excatly this: Have a pool of people you know, you're familiar with, you know are bringing a certain skill to the table and who you can ask if they're intrested in content like that - it has currently 74 memembers, about 40 of them are active.
5) Furthermore I'm part of several other "social" Linkshells, where I can ask for people to help out

I have a whole network of people to do content with - I dont even have to go anywhere near PF, if I dont want to. Raids and Trials are supposed to be content for groups, statics even. They require that you find other people to do this content with - I'd actually consider that part of the challenge. If you dont want to take on that challenge, then that content simply isnt for you. I'm sorry. Not every lone, lazy wolf has to get raid-clears.

This game is neither only for "me" nor is it only for "newbies" nor the "lone wolf". This game offers a wide variety of content - crafting, gathering, just questing, time-based grinds, skill-based farms, dungeons with varrying diffculty, raids, trials. Some is challenging for those who want that. Some is not challenging for those who dont want to. There is content for every group and everyone can pick the content they like - and everyone has to accept, that if they dont do certain content because its not for them, they wont get the rewards from that. Those rewards can be anything from a drop, to an achievment, to a mount or even to a sidestory. The alchemist-questline is great - but if you dont craft, you'll never see it. And crafting takes time, effort and - to a degree - skill aswell. Should we just unlock those stories for everyone to follow too? Because some people would rather have an interactive movie/novel instead of a game?

I dont want to withhold anything from new people, but I want them to know that there is content that has certain requirements - and if they dont like that, thats okay but that content isnt for them then.
You need to let go of the idea that everyone deserves or even has to have access to the whole game, without doing anything for that.

And you have to make friends, good friends that you can trust and who share your intrests. I've taken the liberty and checked your Lodestone-profile aswell as your FC - it seems you're part of a fairly large one (close to 500 members...) and I wouldnt be surprised if thats part of the reason you're having so many issues with this content and feel so dearly for every poor new person - people might not be extremly willing to help random strangers, at least not all the time (I, and many others, still do), but thats quite different when it comes to friends or even just FC-members and acquaintances. I might make false assumptions here right and maybe your FC is a great group of 491 best friends, but its saying something that you've surronded yourself with potentially 490 other people and yet cant find 7 of them to do content with you in a way you'd like to do it - while I managed to have around 70 people at hand who share my intrests and are absolutly willing and intrested to join for that content.
And now you can ofc say "Well, good for you then!" but my point here is: I've made sure to find myself people I share intrests with, so I can enjoy the game to its full potential. If you didnt do that and are now missing out, thats enterily on you.
No one in your FC wants to help you? Look for a better FC! (my advice would always be to pick a small one...)
Need someone extra? Make a PF - if someone joins, be nice to them and you might end up adding them to your friendslist!
Create a linkshell to collect all your skilled friends who share a common intrest (for example: farm EX-Primals) and you'll never have to touch DF or PF again.
If you want to play alone, dont make any friends and treat this like a solo-game, pretending other people in dungeons are NPCs, thats fine - but accept that there is a limit on how far you can go with that. And thats you whos setting this limit.

Coil isnt solo-content. This game has enough solo-content. (And by "solo" I mean: "Can be cleared with 7 other randoms that you'll never see again") Lets keep a bit of challenging group content, shall we?
I'm not asking to instate raid-diffculty levels in casual content because "They've had 4 man dungeons long enough, now its our turn!" either.
Let everyone choose the type of content they want to do - personally, I'd even consider coil unsyched the midcore-content people are asking for: flexible groups, set-ups and even difficutlties, depending on how many people you bring. Mechanics are still relevant enough to be dealt with but except for a exceptions wont instantly wipe you anymore - and guess what: those mechanics that can wipe you if you fail them, are found in normal dungeons aswell. There is absolutly no reason at all to make Coil easier than Sastasha NM - on the contrary: I'd expect anyone who does Coil mechanic-free to be extremly dissapointed in it.

[Istaru]

There is absolutly no reason at all to make Coil easier than Sastasha NM - on the contrary: I'd expect anyone who does Coil mechanic-free to be extremly dissapointed in it.

But Vidu!

Why do I have to do so much work if I want my rewards in an MMORPG?

I have to do so many dungeons, raids and melds. I just want all the epic stuff.

Why do I have to work so hard to get all of that?

Why can't I have them without any effort? Whether that is time, difficulty or dedication.

Please?

[Vidu]

But Vidu!

Why do I have to do so much work if I want my rewards in an MMORPG?

Because I, personally, dont want you to have fun. Because you suck. And you will always suck so much that everything I achieved will always be to difficult for you anyways. No chance you can ever change that.

And now excuse me, I need to fly away on my throne to find more people to look down on.