Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[bswpayton]

Many people are sayin that people don't want challenge that people don't want to learn but this is a huge generalization. Like I said I didn't have to go back and do the Arr primals sync I didn't have to go into failed df over and over again but I did because it was important to me to do these fights and clear and try to get an understanding of them sync.

But these fights also can be done sync whether its doing mentor roulette are tryin the duty finder and waiting for an hour or so. I want to learn and the op also stated they wanted to do even coil sync. But heres the difference in opinion if the community as a whole only gives one option of doing the content which for coil is gona be unsync then its pointless to learn it. For what, if I cant do it sync if I cant get any form or the real challenge in anyway possible then I don't want to learn it I want to faceroll it. Im not gona learn things for a false sense of a fight, and with unsync being the only option it makes the content irrelevant.

And please don't come with the make a party finder cause nobody is doing coil sync and we all know this. We just have different views on a feature, like I said I want to personally challenge myself, yea its some mechanics I find annoying and that aggravate me but Im not gona ask for a nerf on it. I hope the game continues to get more challenging and that I can take part in meeting those challenges. But again with challenges you have the whole zurvan thing and people get vile and I believe the devs know this so I don't know how they will balance that because you make things to hard it just will start creating wedges more and more between players.

But we are talkin about a feature here if my only option to do something is unsync and in my experience unsync equals clear, Ive never done something unsync and didn't finish it. That's my interpretation of the feature just like everyone has their own I don't know what the op is referring to wanting nerfed because I refuse to do a raid if the only option I have to do it is a fake sense of challenge. If you only gona give me a half assed way to do the content then naturally I will or many other people will only want to half ass it. I don't really understand why this is hard to understand unsync creates and promotes laziness I for one wish the feature wasn't even in the game but we all know what would happen if it wasn't these other forms of content would never get touched. When you enter into an instance unsync you are saying essentially im to lazy to do this otherwise and Il admit to that Im not gona wait in duty finder and wait on arr primals to finish getting horses.

Im entering the unsync with the idea that I can be lazy and put in hardly any effort in this instance because it was made for my convenience to do so. That's what unsync is a quick fix basically like getting a test in school and the teacher giving you the answers you just gota put them on your test. So if I see threads like Ive been seeing from some people who want nerfs to content I know that nobody is runin sync with them or that I know would be hard to get a party for sync then I agree with them. Everything else under the veil of unsync is easy so why make something harder than the other instances you can run unsync. So that's the jist of the difference I want to beat and learn content just as much as the next person but that's sync content only if Im doing unsync something I am deciding to go into easy mood and do whatever it is im doing at the least amount of effort possible.

That's the difference in views but I don't really see how anyone can argue that unsync feature doesnt equals easy because it does no matter how you spin it. Whether you chose to believe it or not its always the recommended option for doing something old, because everyone knows its a breeze. I personal highly doubt id have the trouble that op is mentioning with this content but I feel for his plight because if he cant get it sync then he should have it easy just like everything else that goes unsync is easy there should be no one shot mechanics that are to difficult when going into the realm of uysnc it should be an automatic clear.

Otherwise if people that couldn't clear the content any other way for whatever reason and if they still cant unsync then what good is unsync then? Every feature in this game serves a purpose and unsync purpose if it doesn't allow everyone to clear something then its really no purpose to the feature at all. Because we already have access , to content so its not for that, so if it isn't for clearing stuff then what, the option to just underside parties? They could of also just given us this option as well and left it at that , but they didn't they allowed us to be over geared have all of our moves, and put echo in.

So if it doesn't already and I believe it does it should me automatic clear I cant say this enough otherwise its existence is meaningless we can fail in sync content unsync should be a straight shoot. So I guess I need to clarify do I want everything given to me certainly not , do I want everything casual in the game nope I sure don't. I will work for sync content I will spend hours on sync content , I will read watch take notes , etc learn sync content. If Im doing something usync or anyone else for that matter for the feature to have any worth then yes give me everything as quick as possible because that's the agreement of what usync is "quick clear get gear". All jokes aside tho if people aren't getting clears are having trouble with doing things usync then we may really need to evaluate the point of the feature again then.

(I also see people or refrencing my other thread that I made on unsync and rewards, I stand by but the difference is that's my personal preference. I will not take a reward from anything I haven't cleared sync period. But after that thread I realized everyone isn't going to be like me and everyone may want things just because they can have it. So the rule still stands for myself I will never take the titan extreme horse because I never cleared it sync, If I don't clear a12s sync you want see me riding around in that mount ever. But again Im one person I have my own set of rules for myself other people play different and I accept that and if I accept that then I must believe in making things easier for everyone when they are tryin to get old outdated rewards.)

[Settiesama]

Snip

Not even going to justify with a long answer, so I'll keep it brief.

Unsync was added to HELP people clear older content, never instant clear. You need to learn this fact, learn the meaning of help. It allows people to do it with less people

Ah, I see.
Excuse me then while I go to read it.

Also have fun, it's a riot XD

[HyoMinPark]

Also have fun, it's a riot XD

wOW. That thread is amusing. XD\

Addition: Wow. I am actually really offended that they consider DPS "irrelevant" and "unneeded."
Since they claim to main tank, and I'm assuming it's probably DRK, just thought they should know that, thanks to MY Foe's Requiem, some of their attacks are buffed.

But, yeah. DPS are pretty useless, you know.

[Istaru]

So if it doesn't already and I believe it does it should me automatic clear I cant say this enough otherwise its existence is meaningless we can fail in sync content unsync should be a straight shoot.

Disagree, completely.

The option in the game is actually called "Undersized Party". The features, taken directly from DF are:

• Level sync and item level sync are disabled and role requirements are ignored
• Defeating enemies will yield no EXP or items
• Only certain duties allow undersized parties
• Only the party leader may select this setting

That's it. Do you see what's missing? Of course not, I'll help.

Not on the list, "Selecting this setting guarantees a clear without consideration to duty, player skill or any ability to learn or pay attention". Do you know why? Not the intention of that.

The intention is to make it so that you can take a smaller party into content and help get people their clears easier if you cannot get 8 people. That is the intent. It was never to make the content cream puff easy and a guaranteed win.

To be quite frank, I don't give one crap much less two about how the community of the lazy, the clueless and the moronic have corrupted it to mean "I get stuffs good". There always have been and always will be content that has autokill mechanics, the sooner you and some other people can accept that the designers of the game have created that for a reason, the sooner we can get on to discussing something important.

Like the lack of midcore content. Content that is a challenge, not as much of a challenge as Savage can be, but more content at EX Primal level and above.

[Settiesama]

Gifs won't work either, we must search deeper... To memes!

unsync

[Bloody]

Looks like it's education time. Class is in session!

But heres the difference in opinion if the community as a whole only gives one option of doing the content which for coil is gona be unsync then its pointless to learn it. For what, if I cant do it sync if I cant get any form or the real challenge in anyway possible then I don't want to learn it I want to faceroll it. Im not gona learn things for a false sense of a fight, and with unsync being the only option it makes the content irrelevant.

Here's your problem. Unsync =/= auto-win, it doesn't mean "mechanic-free mode" (or else it would be called that), it means that the level and item level restriction is removed to ease completion of the duty. Follow the definition and description of the terms used, don't make assumptions.

And please don't come with the make a party finder cause nobody is doing coil sync and we all know this.

Sure, because I totally don't see a synced coils party at least twice a week on the Primal data center, nope.

Im entering the unsync with the idea that I can be lazy and put in hardly any effort in this instance because it was made for my convenience to do so. That's what unsync is a quick fix basically like getting a test in school and the teacher giving you the answers you just gota put them on your test.

Refer to reply part 1. You extremely misunderstand the stated function and intention of the Undersized Party option. A way to more accurately describe it, using your test-in-school analogy, is that you got to bring a cheat sheet to help with the test. You still have to fill in the right answers in the right places, but it isn't done for you. Unsynced is not "hand-holding" mode.

That's the difference in views but I don't really see how anyone can argue that unsync feature doesnt equals easy because it does no matter how you spin it. <snip>

First off, everyone here IS saying it is easy. What they ARE NOT saying, is that the mode is "mechanic-free." You still need to have a brain and use it to get through the instance.

Any questions?

Class dismissed.

[Settiesama]

Dissection incoming

[HyoMinPark]

Many people are sayin that people don't want challenge that people don't want to learn but this is a huge generalization. Like I said I didn't have to go back and do the Arr primals sync I didn't have to go into failed df over and over again but I did because it was important to me to do these fights and clear and try to get an understanding of them sync.

You're generalizing by saying that everyone considers unsynced to be "easy mode." You're generalizing by saying that new people like running content unsynced because they want easy clears for old content. You're even generalizing when you say "no one runs Coil anymore" and "that content is dead." So, it's okay for you to generalize, but when others pop up, clearly going against your ridiculous generalizations, we're the ones generalizing. Right. Makes total sense.

But these fights also can be done sync whether its doing mentor roulette are tryin the duty finder and waiting for an hour or so. I want to learn and the op also stated they wanted to do even coil sync.

And then, a few posts later, he said that Coil should just be nerfed to the ground because the developers won't tweak it to satisfy LEVEL 60 SKILL. What OP ultimately wanted was for the developers to waste time and resources revamping content that doesn't need to be revamped (because his group couldn't clear T11 UNSYNCED), and then got mad when people said "that will never happen." So the OP demanded Coil be nerfed so hard that the first Guildhest is harder than it.

But heres the difference in opinion if the community as a whole only gives one option of doing the content which for coil is gona be unsync then its pointless to learn it. For what, if I cant do it sync if I cant get any form or the real challenge in anyway possible then I don't want to learn it I want to faceroll it. Im not gona learn things for a false sense of a fight, and with unsync being the only option it makes the content irrelevant.

....I can't even with this. I'm just going to be blunt here: if you aren't willing to learn under any circumstances--synced or unsynced--then you don't deserve to be a Mentor or call yourself one. Because if you refuse to learn content--content that can be done at level 50 or level 60, because some cannot be done the same way unsynced as they can synced, and visa versa--then how are you expecting yourself to teach it? I just can't with this.

And please don't come with the make a party finder cause nobody is doing coil sync and we all know this.

Wow. So that's why there's not all these parties in PF running Coil for Wonderous Tails. Or that's why I saw that T9 SYNCED PARTY a couple weeks ago. Yep. People definitely don't do Coil anymore. Obviously.

You just don't want people bringing up Party Finder because you know that, in the end, they're right about it being a valid option.

We just have different views on a feature, like I said I want to personally challenge myself, yea its some mechanics I find annoying and that aggravate me but Im not gona ask for a nerf on it.

*Then proceeds to defend the OP asking for Coil nerfs*

I hope the game continues to get more challenging and that I can take part in meeting those challenges. But again with challenges you have the whole zurvan thing and people get vile and I believe the devs know this so I don't know how they will balance that because you make things to hard it just will start creating wedges more and more between players.

Sorry, but with your current attitude, I don't really think you'll get far. Since you refuse to learn mechanics just because you're running an instance unsynced. I'm surprised that doesn't trickle into synced content as well. Might as well learn them, honey, because even if there does come a time where people can solo T13 in less than 3 minutes in their ilvl 999,999,999 gear on their level 1,000 gladiator, those Earthshakers probably aren't going to go anywhere anytime soon.

Mechanics are constantly recycled and reused in new content. So you might as well learn them now, because, at some point, you're going to have to anyways. So suck it up, buttercup.

But we are talkin about a feature here if my only option to do something is unsync and in my experience unsync equals clear, Ive never done something unsync and didn't finish it. That's my interpretation of the feature just like everyone has their own

And herein lies the ultimate hamartia to your argument: your "interpretations" of things, or your "experiences" of things do not make them facts.

I don't know what the op is referring to wanting nerfed because I refuse to do a raid if the only option I have to do it is a fake sense of challenge. If you only gona give me a half assed way to do the content then naturally I will or many other people will only want to half ass it.

Then why are you still here talking about how everything unsynced should be so easy my cat could do it? You make absolutely no sense, and your sense of reasoning is extremely convoluted. "I refuse to half-ass content. But if I'm running it unsynced, I refuse to learn and acknowledge mechanics, even if they can still one-shot my Level 60/ilvl 270 Dark Knight."

Just...what?!

And again, you don't only have Duty Finder to do content synced. You have Party Finder for that, and most people, even if they did redo Coil and made it the Level 70 raid for Stormblood instead of Omega are going to use the Party Finder anyways, not Duty Finder.

Alright, I'll sit here and wait for the inevitable rebuttal of "don't bring up the Party Finder thing with me" again...

I don't really understand why this is hard to understand unsync creates and promotes laziness I for one wish the feature wasn't even in the game but we all know what would happen if it wasn't these other forms of content would never get touched. When you enter into an instance unsync you are saying essentially im to lazy to do this otherwise and Il admit to that Im not gona wait in duty finder and wait on arr primals to finish getting horses.

"My interpretation of unsynced is faceroll easy. If I'm going to do content unsynced, I expect to not have to put forth any effort in learning mechanics to do so."
"Unsynced just promotes laziness among players; it shouldn't be in this game at all."

Contradictions.

Im entering the unsync with the idea that I can be lazy and put in hardly any effort in this instance because it was made for my convenience to do so. That's what unsync is a quick fix basically like getting a test in school and the teacher giving you the answers you just gota put them on your test.

Please see above paraphrasing from your previous posts in this thread.

So if I see threads like Ive been seeing from some people who want nerfs to content I know that nobody is runin sync with them or that I know would be hard to get a party for sync then I agree with them.

"I, for one, hate the unsync feature and wish that it wasn't even in this game. I never ask for nerfs."

Please stop contradicting yourself.

Everything else under the veil of unsync is easy so why make something harder than the other instances you can run unsync. So that's the jist of the difference I want to beat and learn content just as much as the next person but that's sync content only if Im doing unsync something I am deciding to go into easy mood and do whatever it is im doing at the least amount of effort possible.

Please stop contradicting yourself. Please stop with your hypocrisy. It just invalidates any "arguments" that you come up with. So stop now. Your "thoughts" and your "interpretations" are not cold, hard facts. Please learn and accept that now. Your opinions are just that: opinions. They are neither right nor wrong. They provide no factual basis for your arguments.

That's the difference in views but I don't really see how anyone can argue that unsync feature doesnt equals easy because it does no matter how you spin it. Whether you chose to believe it or not its always the recommended option for doing something old, because everyone knows its a breeze. I personal highly doubt id have the trouble that op is mentioning with this content but I feel for his plight because if he cant get it sync then he should have it easy just like everything else that goes unsync is easy there should be no one shot mechanics that are to difficult when going into the realm of uysnc it should be an automatic clear.

My god. AGAIN. Your "views" are not facts. Your opinions are not facts. Please point to me where in this game it explicitly says that unsynced is the only option for old or dated content. Please tell me where that is said anywhere in this game or on this forum, aside from your own opinionated posts.

Unsynced should be an automatic clear? So, I should just queue into the instance, and once the barrier drops, the boss randomly explodes and "DUTY COMPLETE" flashes across the screen? Yeah, no. If you want to beat on a striking dummy, there are plenty scattered around Eorzea, and probably at your FC house, if it has one.

Otherwise if people that couldn't clear the content any other way for whatever reason and if they still cant unsync then what good is unsync then?

Is that why yesterday I rolled Chimera in my trial roulette and there were 2 NEW PEOPLE IN THE DUTY? I mean, that is "old" content for an "old" relic that nobody does anymore. Is that why the day before I rolled Ultros & Typhon? Or last week when I got both Gilgamesh battles? Oh, all of them had new player bonuses, by the way. But those are all "old" trials for an "old" sidequest storyline that nobody does anymore.

Please see Istaru's post about how he/she uses unsynced as a way to teach people. And I highly doubt her teaching consists of "Okay, guys. This is an unsynced clear, so all you have to do is just auto-attack the boss, stand in all of those AOE circles, oh, and you can go touch the wall if you like. It only hurts a little bit."

Please see all the other valid reasons people use the unsynced option.

Every feature in this game serves a purpose and unsync purpose if it doesn't allow everyone to clear something then its really no purpose to the feature at all. Because we already have access , to content so its not for that, so if it isn't for clearing stuff then what, the option to just underside parties? They could of also just given us this option as well and left it at that , but they didn't they allowed us to be over geared have all of our moves, and put echo in.

You can clear all content unsynced. And if you can't, then how can you expect to clear it synced? If a person cannot clear something unsynced (note that this DOES NOT MEAN that they can just ignore mechanics and bang their hands against the keyboard), then they really need to take Yoshi-P's advice and git gud.

I, personally, use unsynced for farming Coil items, such as the aetherstones, gear for glamour, crafting mats, and orchestrion rolls. I also used it to get my Ramuh pony, because I explicitly remember doing that one at 60 due to my abysmal rolls on the whistles back when I did it synced down; I also used it for Ifrit and Titan because my rolls are garbage, and unsynced was faster and more convenient at the time. I use the unsynced feature to enter with 1 or 2 other people and see how far we can get with just us in the duty. Sometimes I enter something solo so I can just get in and get out if I'm doing books for the old relic (although sometimes I just queue in through Duty Finder if I need some extra poetics), or just so I can take time to appreciate the scenery of the dungeon. Some dungeons have amazing aesthetics that get ignored because people just want to get in and get out in 15 minutes or less.

I do not, however, use unsynced as a way to "instantly clear" something without having to follow mechanics. If I ignore the Landslides in Titan Ex, I'm still going to get punched off. Even when I'm Level 999,999,999.

I found this little post blurb about the unsynced feature. It's obviously just someone's personal opinion on how to use the feature, but still. It at least gives a reason as to why the feature is there, and a reason to use it. Oh, also note what they say in the last little bit of that post about how unsynced doesn't mean you can ignore mechanics.

The Unsynced feature has tons of different uses. It's primary use and implementation, however, was not to allow people to just faceroll content.

With regards to Echo, Alexander Creator Savage now has Echo, and you can't run it unsynced. Echo is in no way correlated to unsynced. It's just another nerf.

So if it doesn't already and I believe it does it should me automatic clear I cant say this enough otherwise its existence is meaningless we can fail in sync content unsync should be a straight shoot.

Again, your opinions =/= facts.

You can wipe in unsynced groups, too.

So I guess I need to clarify do I want everything given to me certainly not , do I want everything casual in the game nope I sure don't. I will work for sync content I will spend hours on sync content , I will read watch take notes , etc learn sync content. If Im doing something usync or anyone else for that matter for the feature to have any worth then yes give me everything as quick as possible because that's the agreement of what usync is "quick clear get gear".

Opinions are not facts. And there's nothing under the Undersized Party feature that says "quick clear get gear" or "you can basically just ignore everything; don't worry about that wall that will instantly kill you if you touch it regardless of your HP pool, or that AOE that's going to inflict a 30-second paralysis debuff on you interrupting every other attack; you'll be fine. "

All jokes aside tho if people aren't getting clears are having trouble with doing things usync then we may really need to evaluate the point of the feature again then.

If people aren't clearing content unsynced and overgeared, then they should re-evaluate themselves by gitting gud and still following applicable mechanics.

(I also see people or refrencing my other thread that I made on unsync and rewards, I stand by but the difference is that's my personal preference. I will not take a reward from anything I haven't cleared sync period. But after that thread I realized everyone isn't going to be like me and everyone may want things just because they can have it.

Oh, like you want the ability to faceroll all content when it's unsynced?

It's also your "personal preference" to want to be able to faceroll everything unsynced. Sorry. That doesn't give any factual basis for your arguments.

Glad you realized we aren't all like you, though.

[Dualgunner]

-EPIC RANT RESPONSE-

Dude...I love you.

[Annoynymoose]

WHAT EVERYONE HAVE BEEN SAYING THROUGHOUT THE 28 PAGES OF THIS THREAD.

How do you even have the patience for this person without getting any imaginary aneurism is beyond me.