Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[HyoMinPark]

Well I was hoping to have it updated to level 60/70 content or finally just dropped to actual 50th level normal content to make it relevant again, since no one really runs it anymore.

That's funny. Considering I see several PFs up daily for "XXXX Coil of Bahamut - Turn X for WT ". Nope. People definitely aren't running it anymore.

But you know, after seeing the people here, they apparently really think this thing is "the latest uber raid" and not and old half assed relic from their glory days.... from a level that isn't even relevant anymore.

You can see it in what they say about it... they still honestly believe level 50 is like.... relevant and stuff. But even level 60 will be irrelevant after Stormblood.

You're the only one calling it "the latest uber raid." Please post quotes of where any of the other people posting in this thread have said such a (ridiculous) phrase.

And I mean, it's funny, considering that the two new jobs in Stormblood start off at LEVEL 50. Yep. Totally not a relevant level anymore. That was so two expansions ago.

Personally I was hoping this old relic could be made relevant in the current content.

See Wonderous Tails.

But like I said, after seeing the guys in these forums its questionable as to whether they even play this game seriously anymore they're that out of touch.... I'm sure the Devs know that too and no longer even bother coming here, so I agree this is a complete waste of time.

I think you're the one who doesn't play this game seriously. How many jobs do you have to 60? How many Savage raid tiers have you cleared? What about Ex primal mounts? Do you have them all? Have you even done the Ex primals?

I can guarantee you that everyone else here as done at least one of those things, if not all of them.

And if this is such a "complete waste of time," why do you continue to post? Hmm?

Yeah totally, I'm just a totally in it for instant gratification,

....and rewards with no effort.... for going through a level 50 dungeon where you can't get anything relevant to you at level 60.... you sure nailed that one.

I mean, you're the one asking for Coil to be nerfed even further into the ground than 20% automatic Echo. You want Coil to be like Level 50 dungeons, which are laughably easy even AT level because so many people complained when they were the least bit challenging (see: Amdapor Keep's Demon Wall boss and his now-removed Bees).

And, if you want to get technical, to get to 60, you kind of have to reach level 50 first. And what with two new jobs in Stormblood both starting at level 50, that makes the Final Coil gear pretty damn relevant, since you don't seem to think glamour counts (and everyone here will tell you that glamour is the true endgame of FFXIV).

Gonna just repost this lovely post for you to read again. Since you didn't bother to the first time, or else just didn't understand it.

You get lvl 50 gear because it is a lvl 50 raid. Plenty of people have also pointed out several reasons why others still go into the Bind Coils, gear for glamor (A lot of the dreadwyrm and allagan gear are really beautiful.) Music, tails, and the nice story attached to it. Expecting SE to make a lvl 50 raid give you lvl 60 gear cause you went in unsynced, well that's honestly silly and kinda laughable. If you want lvl 60 rewards, do the lvl 60 content.

Wow you guys really just are that out of touch with the game and reality... and where it is currently...

Because getting 50th level gear at level 60 is like uber and stuff so I can be like you right?

It's ironic that you're saying we're the out of touch ones when you keep sprouting off this crap. And contradicting yourself every other post. Pot calling the kettle black, I see.

But that last point is the REAL reason this sticks in your craw so much...

You can't handle that the game itself left your "achievements" in the dust as it outgrew them... and you for that matter.

Yeah back in the day this was like.. uber and stuff for you... but pssst that's Alexander and Dun now... and those will be left in ashes too once Stormblood comes out...

At least he/she earned their achievements. Rather than the ones who bought them. At least they had the skill to do the content back before it was nerfed at all. Something I don't think you would have even if they did redo Coil as a level 70 Stormblood raid because you can't even clear T11 unsynced at 60. Are you sure that this isn't the real reason this sticks in your craw so much? Or is it because everyone continues to disagree with you?

And really? Dun Scaith? The only thing that makes that 24-man-3.0-Crystal-Tower-Equivalent hard is when you have to carry entire alliances through Scathach, or Diabolos Hollow. The fights themselves--the mechanics themselves--are easy to learn, and easier to deal with. And Alexander Normal? It was easy upon release; people just made it hard because they didn't want to do mechanics and instead just press random buttons and hope they clear. Alexander NM =/= the Coils.



Like others have said: you need to git gud. Stop asking for nerfs, and actually learn how to handle mechanics. Because I think the devs are getting a little tired of people asking for nerfs, which is why they blatantly refused to nerf Ozma or Final Steps of Faith STORY MODE. Mechanics aren't going to go away. Even the most faceroll of dungeons still have mechanics (albeit, they don't necessarily have to be followed, or you can live by not following them, but that doesn't mean that they aren't there), and a lot of mechanics are recycled.

Sophia Ex tilting platform? Similar to Leviathan Ex's tilting platform (actually, the same designer did both fights). Recycled mechanic. Any duty that involves tethers, since tethers pop up in all sorts of different content: Zurvan Ex and A12S, to name two. Stack mechanics? Just about every other duty released has stack mechanics. Bahamut's Ahk Morns? Nidhogg NM and Ex has those! Dun Scaith has Earthshakers (T13), the mechanic where you keep the add and the boss separate, or else they get a damage/defense up buff (that's also in T13--if the Blood of Meracydia gets close to the Gusts and eats them, it gets damage up stacks!), and even Doom mechanics, which you first see in Sunken Temple of Qarn--a level 35 dungeon. Not to mention the ever-prevalent look away mechanics with a large, red eyeball that people still mess up. Meteors like the ones in World of Darkness? Hey, those are in Dun Scaith, too! Meteors from T9? Ozma from Weeping City. And those can still screw you over if they aren't dropped in the correct areas. Towers that you have to stand in from T13? Thordan Ex and Sephirot Ex say hi. The Proto Ultima fight is basically the Ultima fight from Praetorium and his Hard Mode trial, except with prototype bits (also from Praetorium) and dreadnaughts (hey, those are from T4), and he hits harder.

You say it's "irrelevant" to learn level 50 mechanics when you're level 60. Well, what if you decide to level another job? Guess what? Those level 50 mechanics and that level 50 gear that you say is so "irrelevant" just became relevant for you. You have to be level 50 before you can be 60, and level 60 before you can be 70, and so on and so forth. And as others have said, these mechanics will continue to pop up in future duties, so best to learn them now so you're prepared for when they show up again. Mechanics never become irrelevant when they continue to be reused in each patch of new content.


Git gud. Learn mechanics. Stop asking for nerfs, and actually earn your achievements, since you seem to think that's all we care about (are you sure that's you you're talking about here?). I didn't earn my current title, nor any of my 8 birbs, by ignoring mechanics and asking for fights to be nerfed, and then whining when they weren't. I earned my title and (most of) my mounts the hard way: through farming challenging content, dealing with multiple trap parties, dealing with wipe after wipe because people just wanted to faceroll SephEx or Thordan Ex, or just blatantly skip the Soar mechanic in Zurvan Ex, which isn't even that difficult to learn. The only birbs I cannot count as "challenging" were Ravana and Bismarck, just because I did those so late after their release, and so overgeared (and RavEx is just laughable now...it's kind of sad). I bore through all of that, and I was rewarded. And I earned those rewards. Earn your rewards like the rest of us had to do. And you know, maybe they won't matter come 4.0 or 5.0 or 10.0, but they mattered at some point in my FFXIV career, and that's all I need. I earned them; I didn't buy them like some others did.

The more you post--the more your posts devolve into some mindless banter--the less seriously anyone and everyone is going to take you. You're not helping your case by lashing out at posters because they don't agree with you, or don't want to pad your ego, or coddle you. Or by continuing to use the word "uber." I haven't heard that word in years.

And please. For the love of Hydaelyn, learn some proper grammar and syntax. I'm not sure what's harder to read: your childish bantering, or the complete lack of proper punctuation. Not every sentence needs to end in ellipses.

Okay. I think that's enough replying for today. I don't have many posts left in my limit anyways until tomorrow afternoon. Which this will probably still be going by then, going in the same circles like it is now. So I won't really miss anything.

(Apologies to everyone for the ridiculously long post, but it's the only one I have at the moment. And some of you guys posting in here? I freaking love you. Your responses are amazingly sarcastic and truthful.)