Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Silverquick]

30th time: Orchestrion Roll. Also, to be able to craft said glamors, somebody needs to clear the content. /logic

People can't handle the fact that the content is old and not the same as it originally was? They handle it just fine. More like you can't handle some basic mechanics even with over-level, over-gear, and 20% stat boost. I think it's pretty clear that the problem isn't the content. Who is out of touch?

Oh yeah because like... I totally want to go through a 50th level dungeon at level 60 to learn mechanics that are completely irrelevent at my level when I could be doing other mechanics in much harder content at level 60...

Hell in Sophia Ex alone the mechanics are far worse than anything I saw in Coils...

[Settiesama]

I do love this selective replying. Focuses one post and completely ignores the rest.

Oh yeah because like... I totally want to go through a 50th level dungeon at level 60 to learn mechanics that are completely irrelevent at my level when I could be doing other mechanics in much harder content at level 60...

Hell in Sophia Ex alone the mechanics are far worse than anything I saw in Coils...

Because you aren't doing them synced at level 50..? Sophia Ex having harder mechanics than T9 is just laughable. Several muck up in Sophia, it's still recoverable... One person mucked up in T9, and that was it. The mechanics aren't completely irrelevant anyway, alot are still used today in the newer content.

So what's the complaint?

I'm under the impression he himself doesn't know anymore.

[Dualgunner]

Oh yeah because like... I totally want to go through a 50th level dungeon at level 60 to learn mechanics that are completely irrelevent at my level when I could be doing other mechanics in much harder content at level 60...

Then feckin' don't do it mate. Simple as that.

Hell in Sophia Ex alone the mechanics are far worse than anything I saw in Coils...

So what's the complaint?

[Silverquick]

Then feckin' don't do it mate. Simple as that.


So what's the complaint?

That IS the point my friend... I DID... do the mechanics... until we got to the Final Coil turn two and the it broke the instance because it couldn't kill us at level 60.

But still... this was relevant at level 60 exactly how?

Its not... its 50th level with empty queues... and irrelevant in this day and age of the game.

Seriously are you guys really that out of touch that you believe this is some kind of "achievement"?

[Settiesama]

That IS the point my friend... I DID... do the mechanics... until we got to the Final Coil turn two and the it broke the instance because it couldn't kill us at level 60.

But still... this was relevant at level 60 exactly how?

Its not... its 50th level with empty queues... and irrelevant in this day and age of the game.

Seriously are you guys really that out of touch that you believe this is some kind of "achievement"?

How many posts are you going to ignore? Even at level 50 it had empty queues. Its still relevant due to all the things we had over an entire page of trying to drill into your head. Haven't you realised that the one out of touch is the one standing alone in the debate here? We all gave our valid reasons, and you just reply to one post of many which usually has the least to do with what everyone was saying, and make evidence you've ignored all else in said reply.

Edit: Also if that mechanic was meant to kill you, you didn't do the mechanics.

[Dualgunner]

That IS the point my friend... I DID... do the mechanics... until we got to the Final Coil turn two and the it broke the instance because it couldn't kill us at level 60.

So you did the mechanics until T11 when you decided "Nah I'm good let's blitz this". Sounds good.

Also that mechanic you mentioned...sure it didn't kill you but with the average (2000dps per DD) you should still have been able to kill your way through the merged node and failing that, suicided your way through the middle of the arena. If it really was a bug, then it was a bug and should have been recorded and posted for the devs to see and post a patch for it. No bearing on its actual difficulty.

Also you had no trouble until T11. That's perfectly fine, and just shows that no nerfs (or arbitrary number buffs) are needed for coil at all. Just one wayward mechanic to watch out for.

But still... this was relevant at level 60 exactly how?

It's relevant to me at 60, I like the glamour outfits and the music. As I stated before, I'm also farming it for prep gear for Stormblood so my SAM and RDM will be geared for up to Lv56 with one set.

Its not... its 50th level with empty queues... and irrelevant in this day and age of the game.

Then don't do Coils if the rewards aren't relevant to you.

Seriously are you guys really that out of touch that you believe this is some kind of "achievement"?

"I'm not insane, it's you...ALL OF YOU! YOU'RE THE INSANE ONES! THE WHOLE WORLD IS INSANE!"

[Silverquick]

So you did the mechanics until T11 when you decided "Nah I'm good let's blitz this". Sounds good.

Also that mechanic you mentioned...sure it didn't kill you but with the average (2000dps per DD) you should still have been able to kill your way through the merged node and failing that, suicided your way through the middle of the arena. If it really was a bug, then it was a bug and should have been recorded and posted for the devs to see and post a patch for it. No bearing on its actual difficulty."

No it quite literally broke it, and stranded us there.

The insta kill mechanic failed, then everything went invulnerable so you couldn't kill anything anymore. So locked us in the instance. But again... somehow this is an "achievement" to you?

Basically the dungeon is no longer relevant in this day and age. And the mechanics are pointless at the level its set to.

So unless they update this thing to current levels... its still fades into obscurity and irrelevance... like it is now with the empty queues. Who at 50th level is going to bother with it when they are handed better gear through the MSQ immediately once they get to Heavenward. Not to mention getting sling shotted through the levels to 70th.

Or since the only thing really worth it is the Story portion of it... just make it a normal level challenge at 50th, since... well... 50th level is meaningless now... and even more meaningless once we get to Stormblood.

[Vidu]

No it quite literally broke it, and stranded us there.

Where you able to reproduce the error?

Because right now I'd heavly assume that its a technical error, that would need technical looking into - something that needs to be fixed, so the content can once again work as intended.
I did T11 a few weeks ago (we didnt cleared it because people didnt know mechanics and after telling one person to stand out of the baro-field 5 times and they still stood in there, I had it with this group and trying to explain) and even though our adds merged aswell, we still got to see Kalia perform her nerve gas/cloud, a raid-wide AoE that used to wipe you if didnt kill the adds in time - it still happens even if you do kill the adds, but it deals less damage then.

So I see two options here right now:
1) There was a bug that happend for some specific reason (because two things that shouldnt come together came together or something like that) - that would need looking into. Intresting here would be of the question: Can this bug be reproduced? As in: is it something that always/very often happen?
2) There was no problem except you missunderstanding something of the fight - I could actually imagine something along the lines of you expecting the adds merging would wipe you immidiatly; you felt you couldnt deal damage to the add anymore (if you werent close to it, that might actually be the case, its a mechanic, there is a buff for that on the add) and because the timer took so long to run out you assumed something was broken.
So... did the adds disappear before you gave up? Did Kalia casted nerve gas/cloud? Were you able to target her after that?

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

No it quite literally broke it, and stranded us there.

Report it.

The insta kill mechanic failed, then everything went invulnerable so you couldn't kill anything anymore. So locked us in the instance. But again... somehow this is an "achievement" to you?

It is if you learn the mechanics and handle them so that you avoid an instant kill mechanic that may or may not be bugged. Besides, Leave>requeue>do it right isn't all that hard to do either.

Basically the dungeon is no longer relevant in this day and age. And the mechanics are pointless at the level its set to.

So is Alexander: Gordias, Void Ark, Alexander: Midas, Weeping City of Mhach, and every primal up to Zurvan. But you still have to perform their mechanics if you want to win. Right now, and even later in Stormblood.

So unless they update this thing to current levels... its still fades into obscurity and irrelevance... like it is now with the empty queues. Who at 50th level is going to bother with it when they are handed better gear through the MSQ immediately once they get to Heavenward. Not to mention getting sling shotted through the levels to 70th.

Anyone who wants to experience the story, get the items for new jobs from there that may perhaps be added later, or anyone who just simply enjoyed it. Hell, I went in alone just to take some cool pictures recently. Besides, this is simply the nature of gaming content with levels.

Or since the only thing really worth it is the Story portion of it... just make it a normal level challenge at 50th, since... well... 50th level is meaningless now... and even more meaningless once we get to Stormblood.

It IS a normal level challenge at 50. A normal Raid challenge at 50, back when that's what a normal raid was. And even that has been lessened by nerfs and Echo. If you're wanting a level 50 dungeon challenge, go run a level 50 dungeon.

[Dualgunner]

No it quite literally broke it, and stranded us there.

So it was a bug, then.

The insta kill mechanic failed, then everything went invulnerable so you couldn't kill anything anymore. So locked us in the instance. But again... somehow this is an "achievement" to you?

It is actually quite an achievement to fail so hard the game breaks, yes.

Basically the dungeon is no longer relevant in this day and age. And the mechanics are pointless at the level its set to.

So don't do them, since there's no point.

But if there was really no point we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we?

So unless they update this thing to current levels... its still fades into obscurity and irrelevance... like it is now with the empty queues.

Well considering there is no Unsynched DF, the reason is probably because most people PF their way into Coil since going in through DF would sync you to 50, and rare is the player who will do coils at 50.

Who at 50th level is going to bother with it when they are handed better gear through the MSQ immediately once they get to Heavenward. Not to mention getting sling shotted through the levels to 70th.

People leveling alt jobs, for one. Also that's more an issue with the MSQ giving gear out like that, not coils.

Or since the only thing really worth it is the Story portion of it... just make it a normal level challenge at 50th, since... well... 50th level is meaningless now... and even more meaningless once we get to Stormblood.

Naw. If you really wanna experience the story you gotta go through as is. If you don't wanna do that then you don't really want the story do you?

But I mean again...it's not really pointless, since we are having this conversation. There's something you want from Coil but just can't get, apparently.