Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Silverquick]

In that case, would it be ok with you if, in return for removing the mechanics, they removed the story, minion, titles, gear, tomestones used for crafting, music sheets and wondrous stuff?

You will never be like me. I cleared T1-T13 and ARR EX primals synced. You could do that, but based upon your posts, you won't.

The only thing its worth at this point is the Tomestones... and those you can get from any given level 50 dungeon... that and storyline since it links the 1.0 story to ARR...

Other than that... name me anything of value in there at level 60... other than maybe a glamor option... of which it can all be crafted anyway.

But that last point is the REAL reason this sticks in your craw so much...

You can't handle that the game itself left your "achievements" in the dust as it outgrew them... and you for that matter.

Yeah back in the day this was like.. uber and stuff for you... but pssst that's Alexander and Dun now... and those will be left in ashes too once Stormblood comes out...

You're that out of touch with reality...

The only way your "achievements" live on is if Bahamut gets updated to the current level content and made relevent... but if that's too much... then you may as well just drop it back down to normal level 50 content... because that's all its worth at this point.

Right now its just a half assed relic from your "glory days"... but pretty much irrelevent in the grand scheme of things.

[Settiesama]

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Dun is Uber? Lolwut.

But seriously. You can craft the glamour, but guess what? The items.... COME FROM COILS... (Also I can dots like you). No one has ever mentioned, or gave a damn about the achievements in this thread. In fact, you just won the bets for being completely irrelevant to what we've all been saying. You are still just seeking for stuff that isn't here in defense.

Edit: I've been trying to figure it out, and you know what.... I can't. How exactly does us wanting to keep Coils the way they are... Make it look like we can't handle the achievements being 'worthless' now? If we did, wouldn't we be on your side to boost the difficulty to 60? No, we don't want that, because we don't care that the achievements are more easily obtained.

[Bloody]

The only thing its worth at this point is the Tomestones... and those you can get from any given level 50 dungeon... that and storyline since it links the 1.0 story to ARR...

Other than that... name me anything of value in there at level 60... other than maybe a glamor option... of which it can all be crafted anyway.

But that last point is the REAL reason this sticks in your craw so much...

You can't handle that the game itself left your "achievements" in the dust as it outgrew them... and you for that matter.

Yeah back in the day this was like.. uber and stuff for you... but pssst that's Alexander and Dun now... and those will be left in ashes too once Stormblood comes out...

You're that out of touch with reality...

30th time: Orchestrion Roll. Also, to be able to craft said glamors, somebody needs to clear the content. /logic

People can't handle the fact that the content is old and not the same as it originally was? They handle it just fine. More like you can't handle some basic mechanics even with over-level, over-gear, and 20% stat boost. I think it's pretty clear that the problem isn't the content. Who is out of touch?

[Silverquick]

30th time: Orchestrion Roll. Also, to be able to craft said glamors, somebody needs to clear the content. /logic

People can't handle the fact that the content is old and not the same as it originally was? They handle it just fine. More like you can't handle some basic mechanics even with over-level, over-gear, and 20% stat boost. I think it's pretty clear that the problem isn't the content. Who is out of touch?

Oh yeah because like... I totally want to go through a 50th level dungeon at level 60 to learn mechanics that are completely irrelevent at my level when I could be doing other mechanics in much harder content at level 60...

Hell in Sophia Ex alone the mechanics are far worse than anything I saw in Coils...

[Settiesama]

I do love this selective replying. Focuses one post and completely ignores the rest.

Oh yeah because like... I totally want to go through a 50th level dungeon at level 60 to learn mechanics that are completely irrelevent at my level when I could be doing other mechanics in much harder content at level 60...

Hell in Sophia Ex alone the mechanics are far worse than anything I saw in Coils...

Because you aren't doing them synced at level 50..? Sophia Ex having harder mechanics than T9 is just laughable. Several muck up in Sophia, it's still recoverable... One person mucked up in T9, and that was it. The mechanics aren't completely irrelevant anyway, alot are still used today in the newer content.

So what's the complaint?

I'm under the impression he himself doesn't know anymore.

[Dualgunner]

Oh yeah because like... I totally want to go through a 50th level dungeon at level 60 to learn mechanics that are completely irrelevent at my level when I could be doing other mechanics in much harder content at level 60...

Then feckin' don't do it mate. Simple as that.

Hell in Sophia Ex alone the mechanics are far worse than anything I saw in Coils...

So what's the complaint?

[Silverquick]

Then feckin' don't do it mate. Simple as that.


So what's the complaint?

That IS the point my friend... I DID... do the mechanics... until we got to the Final Coil turn two and the it broke the instance because it couldn't kill us at level 60.

But still... this was relevant at level 60 exactly how?

Its not... its 50th level with empty queues... and irrelevant in this day and age of the game.

Seriously are you guys really that out of touch that you believe this is some kind of "achievement"?

[Settiesama]

That IS the point my friend... I DID... do the mechanics... until we got to the Final Coil turn two and the it broke the instance because it couldn't kill us at level 60.

But still... this was relevant at level 60 exactly how?

Its not... its 50th level with empty queues... and irrelevant in this day and age of the game.

Seriously are you guys really that out of touch that you believe this is some kind of "achievement"?

How many posts are you going to ignore? Even at level 50 it had empty queues. Its still relevant due to all the things we had over an entire page of trying to drill into your head. Haven't you realised that the one out of touch is the one standing alone in the debate here? We all gave our valid reasons, and you just reply to one post of many which usually has the least to do with what everyone was saying, and make evidence you've ignored all else in said reply.

Edit: Also if that mechanic was meant to kill you, you didn't do the mechanics.

[Dualgunner]

That IS the point my friend... I DID... do the mechanics... until we got to the Final Coil turn two and the it broke the instance because it couldn't kill us at level 60.

So you did the mechanics until T11 when you decided "Nah I'm good let's blitz this". Sounds good.

Also that mechanic you mentioned...sure it didn't kill you but with the average (2000dps per DD) you should still have been able to kill your way through the merged node and failing that, suicided your way through the middle of the arena. If it really was a bug, then it was a bug and should have been recorded and posted for the devs to see and post a patch for it. No bearing on its actual difficulty.

Also you had no trouble until T11. That's perfectly fine, and just shows that no nerfs (or arbitrary number buffs) are needed for coil at all. Just one wayward mechanic to watch out for.

But still... this was relevant at level 60 exactly how?

It's relevant to me at 60, I like the glamour outfits and the music. As I stated before, I'm also farming it for prep gear for Stormblood so my SAM and RDM will be geared for up to Lv56 with one set.

Its not... its 50th level with empty queues... and irrelevant in this day and age of the game.

Then don't do Coils if the rewards aren't relevant to you.

Seriously are you guys really that out of touch that you believe this is some kind of "achievement"?

"I'm not insane, it's you...ALL OF YOU! YOU'RE THE INSANE ONES! THE WHOLE WORLD IS INSANE!"

[Silverquick]

So you did the mechanics until T11 when you decided "Nah I'm good let's blitz this". Sounds good.

Also that mechanic you mentioned...sure it didn't kill you but with the average (2000dps per DD) you should still have been able to kill your way through the merged node and failing that, suicided your way through the middle of the arena. If it really was a bug, then it was a bug and should have been recorded and posted for the devs to see and post a patch for it. No bearing on its actual difficulty."

No it quite literally broke it, and stranded us there.

The insta kill mechanic failed, then everything went invulnerable so you couldn't kill anything anymore. So locked us in the instance. But again... somehow this is an "achievement" to you?

Basically the dungeon is no longer relevant in this day and age. And the mechanics are pointless at the level its set to.

So unless they update this thing to current levels... its still fades into obscurity and irrelevance... like it is now with the empty queues. Who at 50th level is going to bother with it when they are handed better gear through the MSQ immediately once they get to Heavenward. Not to mention getting sling shotted through the levels to 70th.

Or since the only thing really worth it is the Story portion of it... just make it a normal level challenge at 50th, since... well... 50th level is meaningless now... and even more meaningless once we get to Stormblood.