Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Istaru]

Sometimes I come here are read the forums and it really saddens me. In so many ways, the game seems like a disease riddled animal that is either very close to being too sick to save or has passed that point and really should be put out of its misery. I really don't know which it is.

I understand there is a percentage of people who do not want any challenges of any kind in this game. Why even make any dungeon content at all? Release the story as an interactive novel, new places are just for sightseeing and any combat is only a movie showing how awesome we are. For gear, it's glamour only, no stats. You get a token every day you log in, trade the token for the gear you want.

That is what an RPG without any challenge really is, a graphic novel.

[Vidu]

Sometimes I come here are read the forums and it really saddens me. In so many ways, the game seems like a disease riddled animal that is either very close to being to sick to save or has passed that point and really should be put out of its misery. I really don't know which it is.

If its any consolation: there are also enough people who like a challenge and who enjoy the content thats provided - they're not as loud as those who want to play an interactive movie, because they're happy.
But I hear you... its really sad that a lot of people cant appreciate the content and worse cant accept that there are others out there who do and would like to not have it ruined...

[bswpayton]

Highlithed to make the problem clear: People believe that. Believing something doesnt make it true (sorry all religious people out there).

Again coils a bit different than xander because alex savage doesn't have a story mood where as coil does, there is lots of meat in the story of coil from the five turns I did it looked pretty good. Once this content goes in the trash pile of content thats not done anymore there is simply no reason to have the challenge there once it has been accessible to all. Once you unsync something you have made it known that this content is dead and the certain percentage of people that should have cleared has gone out the window.

You shouldn't have to train for a fight when you take the challenge out of the fight which unsync does, the challenge shouldn't be the same because the only point after unsync is the rewards that comes with it. Like I said Im not nerf happy I have never called for the nerf of any content in the game, but once it goes unsync there should be moods at least for it. If you want challenge for soloing a fight which is basically the only way ull get a challenge now as unsync is currently give us that option. I

f you just simply want the rewards it should be allowed to face roll the content , you cant have a sync run if thats what you want then why have it have any form of challenge at all. The op asked pretty clearly to do the content sync they wanted to, when they ran it unsync they were just there for a purpose to see the story. If the option of running as intended is less than 5 percent then , the other option should be to steamroll it and get it out of the way because it serves no other purpose. Why should someone go look up a guide to a fight we are suppose to be very overpowered to do, current content should never be nerfed but old content that just has rewards attached to it if you gona use a feature that makes you vastly overpowered should be able to be done with as little obstacles as possible.

[Settiesama]

Again, by unsyncing it doesn't mean the content is dead and should be a definite clear. It simply is a way to help people clear it, it feels like you read too much into unsyncing. There is still the glamour and music alongside the story in doing the coils. Content is only trash if there is no reward, or reason at all for clearing, while this content has 3 notable reasons.

Edit: 4 reasons, forgot the minion.

[Vidu]

Again coils a bit different than xander because alex savage doesn't have a story mood where as coil does, there is lots of meat in the story of coil from the five turns I did it looked pretty good. Once this content goes in the trash pile of content thats not done anymore there is simply no reason to have the challenge there once it has been accessible to all. Once you unsync something you have made it known that this content is dead and the certain percentage of people that should have cleared has gone out the window.

You shouldn't have to train for a fight when you take the challenge out of the fight which unsync does, the challenge shouldn't be the same because the only point after unsync is the rewards that comes with it. Like I said Im not nerf happy I have never called for the nerf of any content in the game, but once it goes unsync there should be moods at least for it. If you want challenge for soloing a fight which is basically the only way ull get a challenge now as unsync is currently give us that option. I

f you just simply want the rewards it should be allowed to face roll the content , you cant have a sync run if thats what you want then why have it have any form of challenge at all. The op asked pretty clearly to do the content sync they wanted to, when they ran it unsync they were just there for a purpose to see the story. If the option of running as intended is less than 5 percent then , the other option should be to steamroll it and get it out of the way because it serves no other purpose. Why should someone go look up a guide to a fight we are suppose to be very overpowered to do, current content should never be nerfed but old content that just has rewards attached to it if you gona use a feature that makes you vastly overpowered should be able to be done with as little obstacles as possible.

1) The reason Alex Savage doesnt has a story mode is excatly that people wanted to see the story, but not a challenge - so they made this compromiss. They wont adjust old content for that though, since that would need more adjustment than just removal of mechanics.
2) Obviously, doing it unsyched does not take the challenge out of the content - which is actually what you're complaining about here: You think doing it unsych should remove the challenge, but thats not the case nor the idea behind it. Its meant to help, yes - not to just clear itself.
3) Unsyching content even offers a new challenge, as you pointed out correctly: Solo'ing or Duo'ing the content - both would require you to really know your mechanics. Doing it unsych with more people just make the fights more forgiving, not faceroll-easy (what they never should be)
4) Where does this logic come from that everyone should be just "handed the content" when they want it? What sort of mind-set is that? Screaming "I want something, give it to me at once and dont ask anything in return!"
When coil was a real challenge, it could easly take you weeks to clear certain fights - today, you'll most likely clear any turn with 5+ level 60 people in less than an hour. And yet wiping to a mechanic, adjusting how you're going to handle that is still to much to ask?! Are you freaking serious?!
5) Are you really asking why people should still be doing mechanics? Are you really suggesting to just put a dummy who doesnt fight back into every coil-arena? Because thats what happens when you remove mechanics... We were never supposed to be overpowered to do these fights - they're obviously not designed with the idea of people coming back 10 levels later and they dont have to be, specially not when the game is offering you to synch your level aswell as your ilvl.
6) If you dont want to deal with mechanics and do nothing but hit a dummy for a little and see the story: YouTube is your friend. Pause after every cutscene, find the nearest dummy, perform one rotation on it, pretend that you just beat Kalia and go on watching! If you however want to experience this content, then the fights with their respective mechanics are a part of that - make your choice.

You are still under the terrible, terrible missconception that if you just wait long enough you'll get everything in the game without putting effort into it...

[sarehptar]

If you just simply want the rewards it should be allowed to face roll the content

If you can't faceroll unsync'd Coil now, there's something wrong with you, not with the game...

As a joke, my friend queued us as one healer, one tank, one DPS into Turn 13 last week and it was still overkill. A good team could easily do it with just two people. (Hell, I bet someone has already solo'd it.) I'm genuinely interested in learning how anyone could struggle with this content anymore... :/

You wiped to an instant-kill mechanic? Okay, respawn and don't do whatever dumb thing you did to get yourself killed again. It takes ten seconds to respawn. You don't have to "train for a fight" or "look up a guide." Just pay like... two seconds of attention?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[bswpayton]

Sometimes I come here are read the forums and it really saddens me. In so many ways, the game seems like a disease riddled animal that is either very close to .

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This is just simply messed up to me on the one hand you cant encourage people to say screw this content get on this new content over here. Because you and others have been there to do it , and then say well you cant do it like we did it, but you still should have to work for it. Thats just dum to me if the community doesnt run this content sync then , those that just wana see it simply view it shouldn't have any hurdles in doing so.

Nobody is asking for a cupcake game , I mean the post on the asking to nerf potd is a bit much but the majority of people arent asking for such things. But you cant speak with two tongues and tell everyone to skip everything thats not current , but then say well you still need somewhat of a challenge. Once you deem that content old not worth doing for u urself to do then what do you care whether someone else has it way easier. To me if you aren't willing to jump in and help someone get a similar experience to what you yourself had then you should not care how easy it is or not. Thats the problem I see here all these people saying oh dont nerf coil but how many would do a sync run with anyone that wanted one very few. So if you dont even care about the content yourself then dont get mad if someone wants it to be as easy as possible. Once this content is not worth it to the majority it should be as easy as possible for others whom just want to get past it.

@sarehptar

I wouldnt know because If I cant do it sync more than likely ill never do it so I really dont know what the mechanics are so I guess maybe the op would know what it was. That being said it still should be as easy as possible if its story connected to it. While unsync it should be faceroll its no reason to have challenge once nobody cares about the content any longer, have you not do garuda extreme unsync you can essentially ignore the two adds, ignore spiny and just destroy her in two mins. If anything with the unysnc feature it should be like this if those just simply want the option to do it this way is all Im saying.

[Neophyte]

It's just a big waste of resources to alter every single content (What about insta wipe mechanics in Ifrit/Garuda/Leviathan/Ramuh due to too high dps??? What about the granite gaol in Titan Hm which is insta wipe if you're alone?) just to make 'unsynched' into 'faceroll'.

'Undersized group' as the name already tells you was implemented to enable people to do the content with less than 8 people and at their current level, precisely because they didn't want to apply individual sophisticated changes to every old content, but still wanted to ease access and make it easier to beat.


Also: Just open up a pf, say 'Txx with bonus unsynch' and throw yourself in the wall and die. Let the others clear the content (they'll be glad if people not able to do meteors kill themselves before that phase anyway), done.
Easy enough?

[sarehptar]

@sarehptar

I wouldnt know because If I cant do it sync more than likely ill never do it so I really dont know what the mechanics are so I guess maybe the op would know what it was. That being said it still should be as easy as possible if its story connected to it.

I'm... really confused about what you're asking for then. You want to do it synced, but you want it to be faceroll easy even while synced?

[Settiesama]

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Maybe you should try them out before being on the nerf side of this? You may actually like the challenges the coils still present to you. You seem to be ignoring what we're saying about the meaning behind Unsync anyway.