Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Silverquick]

Absolutely uncalled for. Do you think this sort of behavior is going to get people here to take you seriously and agree with you, much less the game's developers?

Yeah no... Don't even go there... he's the one who started in with his "You're not uber enough" bs...

Yeah back in like, the day and stuff, this might have been something "uber" but now... its errm... like 50th level... yeah yesterdays news.

This has nothing to do with any kind of uber... it has to do with the fact you can't que for this one and do it normally anymore.

If it were either updated with level 60 gear, and the challenge level upgraded appropriately you might see people start doing it again. Or just drop it down to the normal 50th level content as its not relevent as some kind of uber top level raid anymore... so... no one does it.

Ergo... if you really want to do this, you're not going to be able to do it in the normal way anymore.

Ie, I just queue up for Alex, or Dun... and hey I'm in. Can't do that with this one until they either upgrade it... or downgrade it...

Take your choice, because right now its neither one... and it sure the heck isn't the top grade raid anymore.

[Settiesama]

Ergo... if you really want to do this, you're not going to be able to do it in the normal way anymore.

Ie, I just queue up for Alex, or Dun... and hey I'm in. Can't do that with this one until they either upgrade it... or downgrade it...

At the start, you couldn't just 'queue up' for Coils without having a full party pre-made anyway. Only when the content was old did they put it on DF for solo queue. Even then, chances to clear it when on DF was almost zilch, especially when it came to the likes of T9.
The main reason people don't queue for it now on DF is mainly that same reason, joining a bunch of random people for an almost certain wipe. Why risk the time and pain of trying to do content like that when you can just go in pre-made like it was originally intended and also at a much higher level to reduce the time spent?

[Silverquick]

you can just go in pre-made like it was originally intended and also at a much higher level to reduce the time spent?

Yeah I tried that, but as you can see the insta kill mechanics just broke it, and stranded us.

[Settiesama]

Yeah I tried that, but as you can see the insta kill mechanics just broke it, and stranded us.

Broke and stranded how exactly? It's perfectly fine the way it is now, as long as you follow mechanics still it's still perfectly fine. Fighting Bahamut Prime is still fun even at 60.

[Silverquick]

Broke and stranded how exactly? It's perfectly fine the way it is now, as long as you follow mechanics still it's still perfectly fine. Fighting Bahamut Prime is still fun even at 60.

Well if you missed it you should read back through the posts... I detailed it.

[Settiesama]

Well if you missed it you should read back through the posts... I detailed it.

I've read through it, and not seen any real logical problems, rather than you just whinging because you want insta-queues and what you can't have anymore. The content was designed for pre-made, it was designed for statics. Open DF didn't come until much later in the life of Coils, and even then the queues were incredibly slow because hardly anyone did it that way. Level 60 should not just make old content instant clears, despite the rewards at the end. People clear for different reasons, and they still have mechanics to teach.

If you want to do the content the way it was originally intended anyway, you're out of luck. Even synced, echo still ruins that for ya.

[kattzkitti]

If you want to do the content the way it was originally intended anyway, you're out of luck. Even synced, echo still ruins that for ya.

Bear in mind that the minimum ilvl option is lower than what people would have gone into a piece of content with at the time it was current. So the experience even with the forced Echo would probably still be right around what it was (ignoring the aforementioned nerfs to mechanics and such, of course).

[Silverquick]

I've read through it, and not seen any real logical problems, rather than you just whinging because you want insta-queues and what you can't have anymore. The content was designed for pre-made,

Huh?

Where did you come up with that...

You said... "you can just go in pre-made like it was originally intended and also at a much higher level to reduce the time spent?"

I said... "Yeah I tried that, but as you can see the insta kill mechanics just broke it, and stranded us"

You said.... "Broke and stranded how exactly? It's perfectly fine the way it is now, as long as you follow mechanics still it's still perfectly fine. Fighting Bahamut Prime is still fun even at 60."

I said... "You should read back through the thread, I detailed it"

The instakill mechanic hosed up and wasn't powerful enough to kill us, so it locked up and stranded us there... doing exactly what you just claimed would be just fine... ie... going in at level 60.

[Lambdafish]

Yeah I tried that, but as you can see the insta kill mechanics just broke it, and stranded us.

That sounds like a bug, that honestly has nothing to do with your issue. Make a bug report, then learn the fight.

[Neri]

That sounds like a bug, that honestly has nothing to do with your issue. Make a bug report, then learn the fight.

This really.

And please, stop with the "..." to every sentence that you use.