Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Silverquick]

What surprises me is that no one is seeing the irony in this... or why its happening...

I honestly would love to do this one for real...

But that's never going to happen if you can't get anyone to queue for it or do it...

You can't have both... you need it to be appropriate for level 50... or update it to level 60...

Walk in the middle of the road like that and you only get squished...

[Lilseph]

What surprises me is that no one is seeing the irony in this... or why its happening...

I honestly would love to do this one for real...

But that's never going to happen if you can't get anyone to queue for it or do it...

You can't have both... you need it to be appropriate for level 50... or update it to level 60...

Walk in the middle of the road like that and you only get squished...

Jevona is located in the Aether Datacenter, which includes the most populated NA server (Balmung) and the raiding NA server (Gilgamesh). You shouldn't have problems filling up through cross-server PF to do it at level 50 sync'd. Unsync'd can be done with any amount of people, except for maybe turns like T8 and T9 that require a bare minium amount of players for their mechanics.

[ErryK]

You can't have both... you need it to be appropriate for level 50... or update it to level 60...

Walk in the middle of the road like that and you only get squished...

Who set these rules in place?

[Awful]

What surprises me is that no one is seeing the irony in this... or why its happening...

I honestly would love to do this one for real...

But that's never going to happen if you can't get anyone to queue for it or do it...

You can't have both... you need it to be appropriate for level 50... or update it to level 60...

Walk in the middle of the road like that and you only get squished...

Or you can Sync it to minimum ilvl and then see how the challenge is, there's a reason people run this old content glamours/music, i'd rather it retain some challenge and at least require a heart beat rather then sitting there and 1 shot it. It's a waste of time to update it to 60, look at WoW they brought back Molten Core an old 40 MAN RAID for level 100 and guess what? It was a boring slog fest with nothing to redeem itself other then the mount and minion after the 3-4 hours of this ungodly place was finished.

[DaikiKiyoshi]

What surprises me is that no one is seeing the irony in this... or why its happening...

I honestly would love to do this one for real...

But that's never going to happen if you can't get anyone to queue for it or do it...

You can't have both... you need it to be appropriate for level 50... or update it to level 60...

Walk in the middle of the road like that and you only get squished...

^

have you consider people cleared it at lvl 50 with ilvl 90 - 110 before heavenward and PRE- nerf?

Git gud.

[Vidu]

But that's never going to happen if you can't get anyone to queue for it or do it...

This argument is always puzzeling me, kinda - because the obvious solution is: You have to do what raiders did back then - form a static of like minded people to run this content with. This isnt content that the DF can and should handle, as you've observed: the mechanics are to complexe for that and it cant be facerolled. But its in place for the people who actually want that sort of content - and those dont pop out of the DF, you have to actually look for them.

[Silverquick]

This argument is always puzzeling me, kinda - because the obvious solution is: You have to do what raiders did back then - form a static of like minded people to run this content with. This isnt content that the DF can and should handle, as you've observed: the mechanics are to complexe for that and it cant be facerolled. But its in place for the people who actually want that sort of content - and those dont pop out of the DF, you have to actually look for them.

And why is that exactly...

Look I realize to the old crew.... level 50.... WAS like level 60... and stuff... but dude... like back in the day it may have been a dollar but in this day and age... really... its only a quarter now...

... its umm... just level 50...

So while I can que for Alexander, Void Ark, Mhach, Dun Scaith and shockingly Crystal Tower... and run it any given time... even at the level appropriate...

Bahamet is the only exception... ergo.. there's a problem here... the challenge level does not fit the current level its assigned to...

[HyoMinPark]

So while I can que for Alexander, Void Ark, Mhach, Dun Scaith and shockingly Crystal Tower... and run it any given time... even at the level appropriate... Bahamet is the only exception... ergo.. there's a problem here... the challenge level does not fit the current level its assigned to...

Except this is not "current level" content. Crystal Tower isn't either, but people run it usually for WT or for the weekly aether oil. And CT can be super facerolled, with the exception of WoD (which was probably still harder back at level/ilvl for it).

I don't see what's so wrong about actually learning a fight and it's mechanics. For dated content or for current content. You're mentioning Bahamut, but that's the exact reason it should be hard. Bahamut caused the Calamity that shook Eorzea to its core. Why would you want him to be faceroll? Coil was the equivalent to Alexander Savage back in the day (SCoB Savage was for those who truly wanted to push themselves). It's not designed to be pugged in Duty Finder. Just like Alex Savage is not designed to be pugged either, but rather ran with a static (although Creator Savage is not too too hard to PUG for some tiers).

@Ririta: T9 is not that difficult if people actually bother to follow mechanics. Half the time they aren't dying to Nael, but to not handling meteors correctly, or letting the golems get too close to each other.

And why even nerf "optional" content anyways. You could use that argument to argue against nerfing. It's not "required" to progress through the MSQ. It won't be "required" for 4.0, or any other subsequent expansion. And, even if it is the most amazing piece of content in this game, it is still not current content, which is what the developers should be focusing on. Not nerfing older content that's easy now if people just do mechanics.

Most Coil fights were already nerfed to the ground, and as OP said, queues never pop. It's not relevant to new players in any way, this character haven't stepped foot on Coil and she's not missing anything.

That's your opinion. If it's so irrelevant, why bother with changing it, or nerfing it more than it already has been? Coil wasn't designed for PUGs/DF anyways. And aside from having the best storyline in the game, there are not enough "incentives" for people to want to PUG it at level, unless they just want to do it for fun, or to challenge themselves. In which case, they make a PF.

But I find that finding players that would want to do sync'd/minimum ilvl Coil for funnsies are, unfortunately, few and far between (they're out there, just difficult to find in the sea of facerollers). People would rather unsync content, and watch Netflix during while just spamming 1-2-3.

[Vidu]

And why is that exactly...

First off a little layout-suggestion, not meant as an attack but could you stop putting "..." behind every second word? It makes your statements not easier and even almost painful to read (I know I'm guitly of using it a lot myself, but your posts have inspired me to tune it back, even in personal conversations with friends because I just realised how annoying it is to read)

Now, to your point - or to my point, however you'll see it - just because the content is old, doesnt mean it has to become totally meanigless. Coil currently serves two main meanings: Story and challenge. The game grows and more content gets added, but why should we have only one challenging raid in the game? Why should the only challenge be current raid-content? Its like "Oh, we got two new dungeons with this new patch - lets kick the two oldest ones out!"
There is a variety of content the casual player can pick from and it grows with each patch - so why not have the same for people who want to challenge themself by piling up on difficult content too?
Even if the gear is already outdated - except for glamour purpose, ofc! Second Coil gear is amazing! - there is still a relevant reward: The story. I raided back then and I never cared much for the gear - I raided for the story. So there is still a reward in place for beating that content.
You cant really compare Coil to 24man-raids, its different content - 24man raids are faceroll easy (and the devs put drops for current content, aka relic, in there)

It makes me a little angry to always see this attitude of "I want everything in this game but I dont want to put any effort into it!" - seriously, if thats what you want: Go and watch a Lets Play.
Coil fits the skill- and itemlevel it was designed for. It is not assigned to be challenge at level 60. It is not assigned to be facerolled by a bunch of strangers. Its in the DF for convenience - not because its now supposed to be easy enough to be cleared in DF.

Most Coil fights were already nerfed to the ground, and as OP said, queues never pop. It's not relevant to new players in any way, this character haven't stepped foot on Coil and she's not missing anything.

Excatly. Coil has already been damaged enough - why make it even more of faceroll, braindead content?
The fact that its two years olf doesnt mean that there arent people out there who'd like to take on the challenge. Or who would like to take on challenging content besides Alex Savage. Casuals get more content each patch - why shouldnt raiders too? Except for the game to offer more challenging content, the old challenges have to stay in place.