Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[HyoMinPark]

I see I'm still being discussed again At first I didn't know that nobody qued for it. That's was months ago but now I know people do and it's usync only mostly so if content is only ran usync only ninthy percent of the time then it's become trash content.

There's those percentages again. Please provide evidence to back up your percentages if you're going to use them.
And if we want to talk about "trash content," my opinion is that PotD is "trash content" that promotes lazy leveling, and in no way teaches people how to perform any job, be it tank, healer, or DPS. However, that is my opinion, just like you thinking that content done "unsync ninety percent of the time" is trash content. Please stop saying that your opinions are facts. Because they are not.

And should be set up in a way to where people like op shouldn't have to come to the forums and say something about it. It doesn't matter what they do to a level fifty raid now it's old and dated it should be just as face roll as all the other level fifty stuff unsync is

OP failed a mechanic or encountered a technical bug. That is in no way a fault of Coil itself. If it was a failed mechanic, that was the OP's fault. If it was a technical bug, then a bug report needs to be filed so that SE can look into it, and go in and fix the instance if need be. However, since no one has been able to replicate the OP's experience, more than likely it was a result of failing mechanics. It doesn't matter if you do content synced or unsynced; mechanics are still going to be there in some shape or form. Better get used to it. I don't see the devs changing this come Stormblood.

@Istaru

That goes for every role as far as mechanics, but I dont see how anyone can deny that tanks and heals are on par with each other While dps just dish out damage which tanks and healers can do. Tons of content can be done without dps , but the flip side of that is tons cant be done with no tanks or no heals, dps serve their purpose but they arent in lines with importance as tanks or heals.

I mean, I can also tank stuff on my bard. It just hurts a bit more than it would if I was a tank. I can also heal myself on bard: it's called Second Wind, and it's saved me more times than DF healers have. Oh, I also have my own personal esuna in the form of The Warden's Paeon.

Your attitude saying that tanks are healers are more important than DPS makes you sound worse than the elitists that use their (inflated) parser numbers to inflate their own ego.

Who gives your White Mage a 10% magical damage increase when you're DPSing? A Bard.
Who gives your White Mage MP when you're running dry and Shroud of Saints is on cooldown? A Bard.
Who gives your Paladin TP after he's been in battle for a while, and is feeling a little starved? A Bard.
Who gives your Warrior TP after you've spammed Overpower too much? A Bard.
Who augments the magical damage done by your Dark Knight? A Bard.

And that's just using ONE DPS as an example. But, right. DPS aren't that important.

Job build is a fact , dps were not built in a way to sustain themselves. With maybe the exception of summoner, but even still dps are not made in a way to sustain themselves this not ego this is fact. The only reason I mention it is because of a comment that was made to me.

I can heal myself on bard with Second Wind. I can also give myself TP if I need to (Army's Paeon). And I have an esuna (Warden's Paeon). But, yeah, I am unable to sustain myself.

Potd is the easiest content in the game it was made with dps in mind.

Care to show me where the developers said they made PotD with DPS in mind?

Where are the solo Vids of dps kiling any arr primal solo outside of summoner it is impossible to do so. Yes a dps can run a wonderers Palace with no tank sure. Try doing any ex primals with an all dps team sync and see what happens.

Wasn't all DPS, but I have been in Ravana Ex parties with 1 tank and 7 DPS. We didn't need a healer at all. (Poor Ravana. He is but a shell of his former glory.)

I've also done T4 with just WAR/BRD. I've done Garuda Ex with WAR/BRD. But I guess since those are just so faceroll they don't count in your eyes.

You can't solo Lost City of Amdapor regardless of job because you need two people for the first boss. You also cannot solo Titan HM regardless of job because the instance resets if you're gaol'd. But, you know. I guess those don't count since they are all "old" content and "automatic faceroll" according to you.

And yet somehow the DF isn't Tank Tank Tank

I've done over 1 damage on pali drk and warrior.

WHOA. Here, let me get up off of my DPS throne and give it to you, O Mighty One.

The df could be tank tank heal but this is a game for everyone and people like dps I like dps I'm just aware that tanks and heals are more important to the team.

Funny story here: I was actually in an A1S light farm party that somehow ended up 3 healers and 5 tanks. But you wanna know what happened? There wasn't enough DPS to clear it. We actually couldn't down the second Opressor before he Self-Destructed. But, you know. Tanks and healers are more important to the team than the raw power of competent DPS.

You would argue that drk isn't more optimal than pali would u. Would u argue that warrior doesn't do more damage than pali would u.

If you put equally skilled players against one another, then perhaps a PLD couldn't out-DPS a WAR. However, since we're talking about Duty Finder, that is unlikely to happen, and I have seen some WARs in Expert barely pull 500 DPS (in Deliverance), and some PLDs exceed 1,000 DPS. According to my "crystal ball."

My bondmate can tank every duty in his DPS stance only because he has optimized his tanks to the best of his ability. The only time he loses hate is if I just start going ham on a single mob on my BRD, which is my most optimized job. However, he would not come here and say that he is more important--being a tank--compared to one of us "lowly" DPS.

So if it's levels of tanking that one is better than another then why can we not compare the roles as a whole.

Different instances will have different ideal party compositions. Why do you think everyone says that DRK shines in A12S? Magic damage, and DRKs are the king when it comes to handling that. WARs? Not so much? PLDs? Lesser extent.

I've out dps , dps several times on my warrior this isn't uncommon. Dps are good like I said but when it comes to importance they are last in the roles. Not tAking anything away from them but that's just keeping it real.

I've out-DPS'd melee on my BRD. I've also out-DPS'd every role on my AST. But that isn't a reflection on the importance of the role. That's a reflection on the player, and all it says is that they are a poor DPS. Doesn't in any way say "Well, you out-DPS'd that NIN over there on your PLD, therefore you are more important to the party just based on the fact that you are a PLD." I would love to see you meet a DPS check solo in an instance without having a single DPS to help you.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

You've done more than 1 damage as a tank?! HOLY SHIT

LOL I LOVE YOU.

[AiharaMizuki]

I've done over 1 damage on pali drk and warrior

Wow. Just wow.

[Dualgunner]

LOL I LOVE YOU.

I love you to--I mean thank you <3

I do apologize for the unnecessarily spiteful bit at the end of my last post. I was frustrated at something unrelated irl and taking it out on you added nothing to the conversation.

[IntrovertAnt]

I found a static that decided to do all old 50 content at min ilev and with echo turned off. We are currently done with all ARR content and are working on HW content. If you want to experience challenge like the old days, you should try it! Find yourself or advertuse for a similar static.

[Istaru]

I found a static that decided to do all old 50 content at min ilev and with echo turned off. We are currently done with all ARR content and are working on HW content. If you want to experience challenge like the old days, you should try it! Find yourself or advertuse for a similar static.

Dude!!!

Liar, Liar Pants on Fire!

Nobody does this anymore, much less at ilvl with Echo off.

Did you personally ask all 350K-500K people that play this game to find 7 people willing to do this "trash" content?

Mr. 1 damage PLD and his twin have spared no amount of words to tell us this just isn't possible. His ability to clear 1 damage as a PLD gives him at least a 99 rating on a certain website. He is THAT good, the best in the game. You should check that, be careful, his insane DPS may have broken the site. If you can, check out their DRG sometime, he doesn't like DPS jobs, but he was killing himself it.

He should know, he desperately wants to do this the "right" way and has been actively trying to succeed for no less than 30 seconds.

30 seconds is an eternity. When you have the attention span of a gnat anyway.

How much more do you expect. With his 1 damage PLD, he one-shotted Nidhogg EX in the face. He would have taken down Zurvan solo with a one hit kill, but Zurvan's ego wouldn't accept a fair fight, so he popped a potsherd. Zurvan was reported by him, and SE is going to take care of it, only because he asked them to.

It's so much easier to come here, create posts that are borderline unreadable, and literally talk in circles agreeing and disagreeing with yourself the entire post than actually do something.

In case it wasn't obvious.

/sarcasm

[bswpayton]

There's those percentages again.

Let me first say I agree with u on potd but again it's a means to an end spa ques are literally unbearable. Let me just say I meant 1 K damage obviously it was a typo but sure I only do one damage per second. Again dps are not worthless their jobs are just not as optimized as tanks and heals. Every instance u mention has a tank involved a warrior is a tank. Played at the highest level xenos the tank master has clearly shown where tanks don't need heals or dps even in a 12 s . Because of job build the ability to self heal dish out decent dps and strong defensive cool downs just make it to where all around tanks can do more in this game I don't see how this can be denied.

[HyoMinPark]

Let me first say I agree with u on potd but again it's a means to an end spa ques are literally unbearable. Let me just say I meant 1 K damage obviously it was a typo but sure I only do one damage per second. Again dps are not worthless their jobs are just not as optimized as tanks and heals. Every instance u mention has a tank involved a warrior is a tank. Played at the highest level xenos the tank master has clearly shown where tanks don't need heals or dps even in a 12 s . Because of job build the ability to self heal dish out decent dps and strong defensive cool downs just make it to where all around tanks can do more in this game I don't see how this can be denied.

If DPS are so unneeded, and if you can solo anything, especially as a WAR, then I expect to see some video proof of such. You keep bringing up Xeno, but I think you fail to realize that individuals like Xeno are outliers in terms of their skill and their optimization. If you think you're hardcore like Xeno, then please, post some videos to prove that you don't need DPS. And if tanks can do more, I would absolutely love to see your WAR provide party members with TP, or your PLD provide them with MP. PLDs may have Clemency, but can your DRK heal other party members? Can any of your tanks exceed 2,000 DPS in any of the Ex primals? No? Didn't think so. So don't say that "tanks can do more in this game."

But I'll be here waiting on that video proof that you can solo anything and everything as a tank. Until then, I think you can't deny that DPS are needed in some shape or form. I know, it must be hard to hear for someone as hardcore as yourself.

Oh, and that failed A1S run with the 3 heals and 5 tanks? 3 of them were WARs. Yup. DPS totally not needed there.

[bswpayton]

If DPS are so unneeded, and if you can solo anything

I never said dps wernt needed I said that the other two jobs where built better just making them better. Your just defensive over dps would u say ever extreme primal was equal no u wouldn't. They all are the samething but they aren't all the same difficulty. I'm saying if u rate the jobs in order of importance that dps are not on equal footing with the other two are they needed yes but the others are needed more.

[HyoMinPark]

I never said dps wernt needed I said that the other two jobs where built better just making them better. Your just defensive over dps would u say ever extreme primal was equal no u wouldn't. They all are the samething but they aren't all the same difficulty. I'm saying if u rate the jobs in order of importance that dps are not on equal footing with the other two are they needed yes but the others are needed more.

You can keep telling yourself that, but that doesn't make it true.
No job is more important than another; if that were the case, there wouldn't be a 1/1/2 2/2/4, or 3/6/15 party composition for most content in this game. The sooner you accept that, the sooner people will stop thinking that you're more elitist than some of the people who inflate their FFLogs parser numbers.

However, I don't expect to get anywhere with you, so have a nice day! o7

[Dualgunner]

I never said dps wernt needed I said that the other two jobs where built better just making them better.

Has more HP but hits like a wet noodle = better built. Got it.

Your just defensive over dps would u say ever extreme primal was equal no u wouldn't.

I'll concede, dps cannot solo very many if any extreme primals. They're designed around the idea of solo play.

I'm saying if u rate the jobs in order of importance that dps are not on equal footing with the other two are they needed yes but the others are needed more.

By your rating true. I was a bit salty and spiteful but let me rephrase what I said before: It's not the role, it's the player. All the roles are are artificially enforced archetypes with DPS being squishy tanks that hit harder, tanks being DPS that hit like wet noodles, both being healers but without specialization in it, and healers being Jesus reborn.

I mean

DPS with specialization in support.