Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Vidu]

We are not talking about relevant Savage-level content, but something you can easily wing as long as you respect the instant-kill mechanic correctly. The content is literally so easy that you only need to watch out for 1 or 2 mechanics over the entire fight; and if the person can't bother to stay on his toes for roughly 20s over a couple of minutes of fighting, it's not the content that's at fault here but the player.

You know what surprises me or puzzles me the most? That you have to watch out for mechanics in basically every single dungeon. The last boss in TamTara - endboss in the second dungeon - has a mechanic that, if you ignore it, makes it impossible to kill the boss (you still have to do that unsyched! Was pretty annoying when I did this dungeon for my ARR-relic a couple of times lately!). Second boss in Copperbell: You wont defeat him if you dont deal with mechanics. At the same time you can ignore a mechanic during the last boss there, but thats not the point; you can ignore mechanics in unsyched coil aswell. But here are people literally asking to either make coil easier than the first dungeons or restore it to level 60 (soon 70) difficulty. And at the same time we're asking for more midcore-content...
(I would consider unsyched EX-primals and coils the clostest we have to midcore-content - depending on your groupsize it can still be a challenge and you need to know what you're doing, but you neither need to learn those fights for weeks nor have a full static, because its flexible when it comes to groupsize)

[Maero]

If people do not want the challenge simply do not do it?
Do not ruin the experience for others so your needs could be met...

That is how i feel about it anyhow

[bswpayton]

[QUOTE=HyoMinPark;4121086]First you said that you /QUOTE]
Excuse me I apologize. I just have my own personal standard of what I call doing content. I did one to five face roll in maybe about thirty mins so it was pretty forgettable, and a let down usync. But I even actually followed mechanics in turn five I know it's one shooters there but despite that I'm on the side of the op. Its old and the chance of doing it sync is pretty low even u guys have mention ur struggles trying get a party for it. So because it's old I just want those who want to enjoy the content without any hurdles and to get past it.

[Istaru]

Excuse me I apologize. I just have my own personal standard of what I call doing content. I did one to five face roll in maybe about thirty mins so it was pretty forgettable, and a let down usync. But I even actually followed mechanics in turn five I know it's one shooters there but despite that I'm on the side of the op. Its old and the chance of doing it sync is pretty low even u guys have mention ur struggles trying get a party for it. So because it's old I just want those who want to enjoy the content without any hurdles and to get past it.

For crying out loud!!!

Just stop.

I'm begging you.

My sanity cannot take much more of this abuse.

I tried nice...

I don't think you desire the "correct" or "right" way at all.

If you truly desired it even a small fraction of how much you say you do, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I think this is nothing more than a self defense mechanism to protect your ego so you can still tell yourself that you're better than most of the people when you aren't.

You want this change for yourself but again your ego won't allow you to say that.

Please stop saying your request for all the little people that don't have a voice of their own.

[Vidu]

So because it's old I just want those who want to enjoy the content without any hurdles and to get past it.

Ask yourself how much enjoyment would come from fighting Bahamut and it turns out that there was a boss in your very first dungeon that was more challenging... at this very moment, there is a thread on the frontpage, made by a person whos complaining about dungeons in the mainstory because it takes them to long in the queue (as DPS, queueing for a specific lowlevel dungeon... yeah, that can take a while), right now dungeons are blocking this persons enjoyment of the game - shall we remove them?

In the end we both want the same thing: for new people to enjoy this content.
For me a lot of enjoyment comes from overcoming struggles and the feeling that you've truely achieved something. Coils story is epic and the fights add to that epicness and reflect it. They are part of the story. I want every person to have the chance to see and experience this content as epic fights that make them go "Oh, wow, that was pretty cool!"
You are, again, patronising in the worst possible way, assuming new people can and will only enjoy content when its not a challenge anymore - or that new people are unable to beat something enterily. You're the parent whos cutting their 30 year old sons meat and feed him because he always had trouble holding a knife correctly - and you're totally ignoring that today your little baby knows how to hold a knife and that they're actually not very fond of meat, but thats not bothering you because you know whats best for them!

YOU decided for every new player that coil is to much of a hazzle now and needs to be nerfed because thats the only way people will ever be able to enjoy this content, ripping them of any chance to feel that they've accomplished something. And I'm not talking about those people who need to boost their ego by playing videogames - I'm talking about that feeling of trying an optional, super-boss in a single player game for the third time and finally, finally winning!
You're talking about something we would call "popcorn-cinema/movie" in german: something that is present in the game with quests like Hilli and Brilli or the postmoggles or those doma kids... I could go on. There is content that can be enjoyed without facing challenges - there is content for that sort of player.
I'm talking about enjoyment that comes from finally overcoming an obstacle - that desire is equally valid and should be represented in the game for people who want that. And it is - in the form of raids. The feeling of beating Bahamut for the first time after you actually challenged him is still relevant today. Your experience in this content is still relevant today and to you. It will always be relevant to those who consider it important.

You're advocating for a group of people you assume exist - people who are past level 50, but totally unable to handle mechanics, unwilling to improve and socialise, just wanting to be fed braindead entertainment. You are defintly not speaking for all those new people out there - and you're screwing everyone over who considers enjoyment "beating a challenge". Please just stop pretending that you care about "the little guy" or the "poor newbie" when you take away any chance for them to grow, to challenge themself outside of a fixed static and even take away their damn choice.

Your suggestion makes it impossible for new people to enjoy this content.
Coil has a great story, yes - but part of that story is that you're actually struggeling to continue your journey. The fights are part of the narrative - let the new person decide for themself if they want to see and do that or not.
The reason I'm so much against further coil-nerfs is because I want new people to enjoy this content - and enjoyment doesnt mean "watch a cutscene, beat a dummy" and I believe there will be enoug people coming to this game who feel the same about that. And if they dont: there is still content for them to do. Leave this one for those who want that.

[Istaru]

Your suggestion makes it impossible for new people to enjoy this content.

Why don't we just turn the game into an interactive novel instead.

Please?

[Synrin]

Why are you people still discussing this?

[Istaru]

Why are you people still discussing this?

We hate ourselves.

[Vidu]

Why don't we just turn the game into an interactive novel instead.

Please?

Actually, I wouldnt mind an interactive novel FF-game! I played Life is Strange recently (you should too!) and that sort of game with an FF-setting? Bought!

Thinking about it... right now I want that sort of game with a new fresh story and the option to unlock special, hidden chapters from previous games - inlcuding the plots of FFI to FFVI, the FFXIV 1.0 storyline, Coil-story, the background stories of FFX astras... oh god, I can think of so much I'd put into that game right now... HIRE ME SE!

[HyoMinPark]

Excuse me I apologize. I just have my own personal standard of what I call doing content. I did one to five face roll in maybe about thirty mins so it was pretty forgettable, and a let down usync. But I even actually followed mechanics in turn five I know it's one shooters there but despite that I'm on the side of the op. Its old and the chance of doing it sync is pretty low even u guys have mention ur struggles trying get a party for it. So because it's old I just want those who want to enjoy the content without any hurdles and to get past it.

If I were a new player, I would be pretty offended that you think I would be unable to clear T13 (or any of the Turns) unsynced at level 60 (or level 70) unless they basically made Bahamut into a striking dummy, or made him spontaneously combust the minute the barrier dropped. Could you be any more patronizing?
Stop saying you're "speaking" on the behalf of "the little guy" because, as far as I've seen, none of these "little guys" have come to this thread to thank you for your astounding charity and representation of them. I don't even see any evidence that these "little guys" exist.

If you think the only way you "deserve" to clear content is to clear it synced, well, then that sounds like a personal problem. But don't hold everyone else to your "standard," or say that "such-and-such should be nerfed because nobody does this content unsynced anymore, and it would only be meaningful if it was cleared synced anyways...but nerf it to the ground because new people won't be able to clear it otherwise!!" and use your own personal experiences and thoughts to try and back up your arguments. Aside from your comments making less sense than a person playing football with a baseball bat, they're also so contradictory it's utterly astounding. Part of me is somewhat amazed, and wonder if you should get an award for being so incredibly contradicting.

By the by, no one here mentioned any sorts of "struggles" with getting their Coil goals achieved. That was just you.