Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Lambdafish]

Just putting it out there because people seem to think that people don't do coil anymore, if you need a clear and are on primal server, I will most certainly help you out so long as you being a positive attitude towards learning the little mechanics that you do need to learn

[Dualgunner]

-EPIC RANT RESPONSE-

Dude...I love you.

[Annoynymoose]

WHAT EVERYONE HAVE BEEN SAYING THROUGHOUT THE 28 PAGES OF THIS THREAD.

How do you even have the patience for this person without getting any imaginary aneurism is beyond me.

[Vincent_Mateus]

You guys are epic. I didn't look into this thread all day, as I was recovering from the aids I got from it yesterday. This thread made me wish that unsynced/undersized just removed the character level cap, so you could go into coil at the appropriate ilvl (130 or below) and still use all your level 60 skills

[Bloody]

How do you even have the patience for this person without getting any imaginary aneurism is beyond me.

It's all about not taking it serious. You read what was written, logically dissect it, eat some popcorn, try not to laugh too loudly, and then provide a clear and well structured (if somewhat witty) rebuttal. That's why I provided a 2 minute school session.

[bswpayton]

You're generalizing by saying that everyone considers unsynced to be "easy mode." You're generalizing by saying that new people like running content :

Like I said its a good thing that the story is separated from alex savage than alex normal , that way this same problem will not continue that people seem to be having with binding coil. Just judging from the post here there seems to be a problem that people or having and Im just always on the side of the little guy when it comes to this game. And in my experience since I dont and wont to do coil (despite wanting to see the story and gettin the song anwers ),everything unsync is face roll and sense I will not be doing any alex unsync as well then the trend will continue for me personally.

I just hope that if the problem persist through hw that the devs will hear those who are new or that stayed out of the way so that people wouldnt get on their case for not being good enough at the time content was current, that content will be made in a way unsync so that they can to get whatever fulfillment they get out of doing said content. Im not hearing from any one that isnt sayin that they arent a good player and that they are skilled at the game some people just arent and sometimes certain things in game can give them a problem so who am I to tell them that even in unsync you still shouldn't be able to clear the content. Im not gona do that, but everyone is entitled to their opinion and their reaction to certain things. You will never and I repeat hear me calling for a nerf to sync or current content, I am pretty good at acceptance even if for some reason I cant get past a hurdle Id rather accept that I cant do it than ask for a nerf on that content.

But if someone waits or is late and their only method to do something is to run it unsync then they should have the right wit that feature to be able to get past any hurdle in the game, because once something goes usync at that point it no longer matters anymore and people have moved on to something new and up to date. As far as mentor goes I dont even do mentor roulette , but Im the type of person that if I did I wouldnt abandon a duty or anything like that and as it stands its not to much content I havent cleared that would be in the mentor roulette if I did do it outside of (titan which not even gona get on that instance). So I will have no issue with teaching any content as a side note, I just simply am of two minds you work when it counts and unsync just simply doesnt count in my book its a trash feature but its a means to an end and has its purpose. But if the feature isnt leading to automatic clears for everyone then it has a very limited purpose , and should be reevaluated , like I said if people wont to fail they can do something sync , unsync should be automatic clear regardless of skil level to give everyone their chance of clearing content that no longer has any value

[Settiesama]

Like I said its a good thing that the story is separated from alex savage than alex normal , that way this same problem will not continue that people seem to be having with binding coil. Just judging from the post here there seems to be a problem that people or having and Im just always on the side of the Lazy people when it comes to this game. And in my experience since I dont and wont to do coil (despite wanting to see the story and gettin the song anwers ),everything unsync is face roll and sense I will not be doing any alex unsync as well then the trend will continue for me personally.

Fixed for ya, and weren't you just complaining that Coils should be a face roll Unsynced, now saying it is a faceroll? Hmm.. I think you should just lay down and rest now.

But if someone waits or is late and their only method to do something is to run it unsync then they should have the right wit that feature to be able to get past any hurdle in the game, because once something goes usync at that point it no longer matters anymore and people have moved on to something new and up to date.

And just like OP, you have ignored every bloody reply to you.

unsync

Because I never get old of this one, and you clearly missed the point.

unsync should be automatic clear regardless of skil level to give everyone their chance of clearing content that no longer has any value

So there is no value at all in glamour, story, music sheets? Helping new players through the content without waiting for a party to fill? Teaching them mechanics that WILL help them out in later content at a much easier pace for them? Letting them experience the fight at a much easier pace if they can't handle the stress of it being a full on challenge? Yeah, actually you're right, no value at all here, should just make it so Coils is a movie.

Edit: You also continue to say that you speak for a good margin of the populace... But where exactly is any support to that claim? You appear to be a one person army fighting for your own dream world in this one.

[Vidu]

like I said if people wont to fail they can do something sync , unsync should be automatic clear regardless of skil level to give everyone their chance of clearing content that no longer has any value

Heres the thing: if you're doing content unsyched or syched affects only you, not the content - the content is the same both times. You cant remove mechanics from the "unsyched-version", but keep them synched because the "unyched-version" does not exists. Same content. If you remove mechanics they're gone. For everyone. If you nerf the content, its also nerfed and has changed for the person who wants a challenge, because its the same duty, the same content. Thats why I cant possibly agree with you because you show again and again that you lack an understanding about the things you're talking about.

To keep the challenge sychend, the content has to stay tha way it is now (or be restored to old versions... a girl can dream, right?). If unsyched should supposed to be faceroll, 100% kill, boss drops dead at the start of the duty, it would require the dev-team to programm a second duty. That is excatly what has happend with Alexander - Storymode version for everyone, challenge for raiders. But even the storymode easy version still has mechanics. So, should those be removed for people who just want to watch a movie see the story aswell?
Just an hour ago I was reading this thread (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tting-annoying.) in which someone complains that they're having to do duties at all because they just want to progress through the story and dont have time for a 20 minuten dungeon. Whats your answer to them? Shall we remove all dungeons from the game because someone cant bring themself to do them?
My answer is: No, we should not. Its part of this games "gameplay" and concept that dungeons are a part of it - and if someone, for whatever reason, cant or dont want to that, they should really be looking for a different game.

You are also again being very patronising and arguing for a group fo people no one should argue for: Those who are to lazy, to but the slightest amount of effort into anything. If you want auto-clears: Go and buy one or look for someone who carries you.
You are not aware what you're asking for - and you're not arguing for the sake of yourself but for people you assume exists. People who you describe as so lazy or stupid that they cant handle mechanics at all - which raises the question: How did a person who cant handle mechanics at all even reach Coil?

I haven't done coil Im pretty sure its face roll ,

Thank you for confirming that you dont even know what you're talking about. You're basically saying here "Please remove mechanics that I havent seen, so I dont even know if they're difficult or not".
Can we all agree on ignoring this person now since they cant possibly evaluate wether or not content that they've never done needs adjustments?

I assure you: T11 does not need it, just because mechanics cant be ignored - you mention the PotD-discussion. Mechanics on Edda cant be ignored either, but they're easy enough to handle (turn away for the eye, dont stand in AoEs). I'll do you the courtesy to list relevant T11-mechanics when this content is done synched or unsyched - and you think long and hard about wether or not thats to much to ask, okay?

T11

- Barofield: Dont stand directly under Kalia. You can see the white field on the ground. All you have to do is not stand in it. Thats okay, right?
- Tankswitch/debuff: synched you need to provoke here, but unsyched it doesnt matter - just tank here. Like, stand still and tank here. Okay?
- Seeds of sea/land: Synched you need to stack and spread for those - unsyched it doesnt matter, just heal through the damage. You can cast a medica II or so, right?
- Add-phase. Okay, bit tricky! Move along the room while tanking two adds (one add can now be tanked by any class) and make sure they dont come to close to each other. Am I asking to much of you already?
- Add-phase: Stand close to the add you wish to attack because you wont deal damage otherwise. You can do that, can you?
- Add-phase: If you get the lightning debuff, move out of the group or everyone close to you will get paralysis. You know where you need to do that too? Ozma in Mhach. There its bleed, but basically: if you get targeted with that: move out of the group. You can pay a little attention to that, yes?
- Theters: Just have blue stand toegther and green stand together. No need to dodge Kalias AoEs when doing this unsyched, so just agree on having blue marks on one side and green ones on the other side and stand there, til the colours change (and you might have to move to the other side) or Kalia drops dead because you're just burning her at this point.

[bswpayton]

Fixed for ya, and weren't you just complaining that Coils should be a face roll Unsynced, now saying it is a faceroll? Hmm.. I think you should just lay down and rest now.

I haven't done coil Im pretty sure its face roll , I mention I wont do it because the majority of players wouldnt touch coil sync with a ten foot pole sync. And Ive stated several times in this thread that Im not takin rewards from content I never cleared sync because imo I dont deserve those rewards if the only way I cleared the content was unsync only.

And yea they put maybe the first three legs of coil in wt , but that doesnt change the fact that the majority of people will just get one or two people go in unsync and get in and get out just like they do with the arr primals. I dont waste my time with wt not about that rng life , but no Im not defending lazy people this is not the only post regarding to some players having issues with coil. There have been others and sense everything else unsync is faceroll then I see no reason to not make coil the same sense it is old and nobody is runnin it anyway so it shouldnt matter to anyone. And some of the things people have said makes sense ,but alot of it not so much Id be right there arguing with others about nerfing current content that people still play and do.

I was the first post on the nerf potd boss to disagree, I dont put myself in a box , I dont support watering down the game when its content that people actually do on a regular basis sync content. But coil is not its something that very few people that play the game do and when they do it , its unsync so in the unsync format I dont see what the big deal about it being super easy is , everything else unsync is super easy so coil unsync shouldnt have anyone coming to the forums complaining about having issues because unsync content should be very easy (because after all its unsync).

@Vidu

I would tell that person and that if all they care about is story only then they dont have to have a time farm on when they are gettin to where they want to go. They dont have to be caught up with everyone else because once the story ends then the way they play they have nothing left to do anyway. And the thing about what your sayin regarding coils is Im very aware they would have to change it the thing is that whos running it sync very few people so in this case it wouldnt actually matter.

With raids once the new raids come out they die harder than primals, simply probably because raids cant be done in the same amount of time. Raids may take weeks or even months to clear where as a primal may take far less time if you do it repeatably so raids die faster. So once they go to the grave yard then it doesnt matter what they do to the content cause whos setting up statics to do binding coil, whos gona be settin up statics to do alex savage when omega comes out nobody. P

eople will do the primals sync but thats still rare , but they are much more easy to do in a few sessions as opposed to a raid. With the number being so low already of people who even raid anyway then I see no reason that once the tier has pasted that it becomes easy enough for those all players to do them or new players. You guys would have it that even after nobody is dong the raid nobody cares nobody wants to even touch it , its outdated new stuff is here that even still then you want to make clearing them exclusive. Like the stranglehold people want on content is just crazy to me , who cares about a raid once a new one is here so who cares if they nerf it in a way that anybody can clear them?

[Settiesama]

I haven't done coil Im pretty sure its face roll , I mention I wont do it because the majority of players wouldnt touch coil sync with a ten foot pole sync.

And people have stated, time and time again, that Coil synced parties are actually fairly common. Hell, make one and see for yourself at prime time. You are only limiting yourself with this very closed mind. You are making yourself believe what isn't true, same with the meaning of 'Unsync'.