Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[bswpayton]

There's those percentages again.

Let me first say I agree with u on potd but again it's a means to an end spa ques are literally unbearable. Let me just say I meant 1 K damage obviously it was a typo but sure I only do one damage per second. Again dps are not worthless their jobs are just not as optimized as tanks and heals. Every instance u mention has a tank involved a warrior is a tank. Played at the highest level xenos the tank master has clearly shown where tanks don't need heals or dps even in a 12 s . Because of job build the ability to self heal dish out decent dps and strong defensive cool downs just make it to where all around tanks can do more in this game I don't see how this can be denied.

[HyoMinPark]

Let me first say I agree with u on potd but again it's a means to an end spa ques are literally unbearable. Let me just say I meant 1 K damage obviously it was a typo but sure I only do one damage per second. Again dps are not worthless their jobs are just not as optimized as tanks and heals. Every instance u mention has a tank involved a warrior is a tank. Played at the highest level xenos the tank master has clearly shown where tanks don't need heals or dps even in a 12 s . Because of job build the ability to self heal dish out decent dps and strong defensive cool downs just make it to where all around tanks can do more in this game I don't see how this can be denied.

If DPS are so unneeded, and if you can solo anything, especially as a WAR, then I expect to see some video proof of such. You keep bringing up Xeno, but I think you fail to realize that individuals like Xeno are outliers in terms of their skill and their optimization. If you think you're hardcore like Xeno, then please, post some videos to prove that you don't need DPS. And if tanks can do more, I would absolutely love to see your WAR provide party members with TP, or your PLD provide them with MP. PLDs may have Clemency, but can your DRK heal other party members? Can any of your tanks exceed 2,000 DPS in any of the Ex primals? No? Didn't think so. So don't say that "tanks can do more in this game."

But I'll be here waiting on that video proof that you can solo anything and everything as a tank. Until then, I think you can't deny that DPS are needed in some shape or form. I know, it must be hard to hear for someone as hardcore as yourself.

Oh, and that failed A1S run with the 3 heals and 5 tanks? 3 of them were WARs. Yup. DPS totally not needed there.

[bswpayton]

If DPS are so unneeded, and if you can solo anything

I never said dps wernt needed I said that the other two jobs where built better just making them better. Your just defensive over dps would u say ever extreme primal was equal no u wouldn't. They all are the samething but they aren't all the same difficulty. I'm saying if u rate the jobs in order of importance that dps are not on equal footing with the other two are they needed yes but the others are needed more.

[HyoMinPark]

I never said dps wernt needed I said that the other two jobs where built better just making them better. Your just defensive over dps would u say ever extreme primal was equal no u wouldn't. They all are the samething but they aren't all the same difficulty. I'm saying if u rate the jobs in order of importance that dps are not on equal footing with the other two are they needed yes but the others are needed more.

You can keep telling yourself that, but that doesn't make it true.
No job is more important than another; if that were the case, there wouldn't be a 1/1/2 2/2/4, or 3/6/15 party composition for most content in this game. The sooner you accept that, the sooner people will stop thinking that you're more elitist than some of the people who inflate their FFLogs parser numbers.

However, I don't expect to get anywhere with you, so have a nice day! o7

[Dualgunner]

I never said dps wernt needed I said that the other two jobs where built better just making them better.

Has more HP but hits like a wet noodle = better built. Got it.

Your just defensive over dps would u say ever extreme primal was equal no u wouldn't.

I'll concede, dps cannot solo very many if any extreme primals. They're designed around the idea of solo play.

I'm saying if u rate the jobs in order of importance that dps are not on equal footing with the other two are they needed yes but the others are needed more.

By your rating true. I was a bit salty and spiteful but let me rephrase what I said before: It's not the role, it's the player. All the roles are are artificially enforced archetypes with DPS being squishy tanks that hit harder, tanks being DPS that hit like wet noodles, both being healers but without specialization in it, and healers being Jesus reborn.

I mean

DPS with specialization in support.

[ToasterMan]

You know, if some people are sick of a thread, why not just stop posting?

[Bloody]

Number of times the phrase (or equivalent) "Out of touch with reality" has been used: 56,874
Number of times the word "Uber" has been used: 45,162
Number of times the word "irrelevant" has been used (and misspelled): 107,315
Number of times "unsync" has been assumed to mean "mechanics-free": 3,706

Number of epic posts detailing all of the fallacies and ridiculousness in this thread: 4,503
Number of times people actually learned something from said posts: 5

I may have found the problem.....

[Fredco191]

Thinking about getting this thread back up to page 1 but like-
wait posting this made it happen? oops

[Ririta]

Nerf Coil.

[seekified]

Don't use Duty Finder for old raid content.

In fact, don't use Duty Finder for any raid content.