Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[bounddreamer]

We had some new people come into our FC this year. They got to level 50. They unlocked Coil. Know what they did next? Asked us to help them clear it, which we were happy to do, because we got to usher them through a piece of FFXIV raid history, we got their bonus, and they got some glamor pieces out of it. Also, we four manned it. T'was fun.

[bounddreamer]

Silverquick, you're wrong. It's an endgame raid that is still done, unsynced, every week for Khloe stickers, glamor, and some people do it for fun, challenge, and getting other peoples' bonuses.

Although it was made available for duty finder queue, it was never done via duty finder when it was current content. People always queued in after grouping up either as a static or via PF first.

Similarly, Alex Savage, although current content, has people going in after getting a full premade. Even though the loot is unlocked, you still won't get a duty finder queue for Alex Savage to pop.

[Silverquick]

Silverquick, you're wrong. It's an endgame raid that is still done, unsynced, every week for Khloe stickers, glamor, and some people do it for fun, challenge, and getting other peoples' bonuses.

And this is why I keep looking at you guys like you're lost in some other reality...

50th level is not "End Game" content anymore...

That would be level 60th... 50th level is irrelevent at this point...

And Bahamet is sitting empty... with no one in the queues anymore... so its even more irrelevent or in need of either an upgrade... or downgrade... one of the two.

[Dualgunner]

And this is why I keep looking at you guys like you're lost in some other reality...

Yeah that's what happens when you've separated yourself from reality. The rest of the world must be crazy because there's no way you are.

50th level is not "End Game" content anymore...

That would be level 60th... 50th level is irrelevent at this point...

Then don't do it. Simple as that. /thread

And Bahamet is sitting empty... with no one in the queues anymore...

Nobody ever...EVER...went into the DF even back in the day expecting positive results in Coils. Everybody who was decent enough to pass T5 knew that, so the queues past Binding Coil were DOA. So it makes sense nobody is queueing for them now, especially because unsynch is also undersized party, which means there is no Unsynch DF. You go queue for DF, you queue synched. Make a PF if you wanna do Coil, lots of people still do it.

so its even more irrelevent or in need of either an upgrade... or downgrade... one of the two.

"Mommy mommy I wanna do the raid but its too hard...i-it's not like I really wanna do it, I mean NOBODY wants to do it cuz it's old... it's just stupid and shouldn't be so hard!"

[bounddreamer]

And this is why I keep looking at you guys like you're lost in some other reality...

50th level is not "End Game" content anymore...

That would be level 60th... 50th level is irrelevent at this point...

And Bahamet is sitting empty... with no one in the queues anymore... so its even more irrelevent or in need of either an upgrade... or downgrade... one of the two.

It was a level 50 endgame raid. Heavensward has a level 60 endgame raid. And Stormblood is going to have a level 70 endgame raid.

Dropping an expansion with a new level cap doesn't make Coil not a level 50 endgame raid. Because that's what it was. A level 50 endgame raid.

"Bahamut is sitting empty with no one in the queues..."

NO ONE QUEUED FOR IT, DUDER.

You get INTO it from duty finder. But you party up with people before going in. Which is exactly how people run Alex Savage content today, because they want to have control over the party composition before queueing, among other reasons.

[Vidu]

NO ONE QUEUED FOR IT, DUDER.

You get INTO it from duty finder. But you party up with people before going in. Which is exactly how people run Alex Savage content today, because they want to have control over the party composition before queueing, among other reasons.

I feel part of the problem here is that OP seems fairly new (excatly one class at 60, only another one above level 50; no gathering or crafting classes even touched; total lack of any veteran-rewards like the ahriman or behemot-mount...) and has only learned so far that anything that is in the DF can be queued for with the DF and be cleared with the DF. Just as bswpaython has made wrong assumptions base on unsuffcient data this person/the OP has made wrong assumptions because they weren able to interpret the game correctly. Its to bad for them that they rather throw a tantrum and blame everyone for their problem except the person who is to blame: themself.

Maybe I am patrinising now, when Is ay "They dont know better" - the sad truth is though they dont even want to know better...

But I cant stress enough how missleading Endgame-raids (Coil, Savage) in Df are in most cases - they're not DF-content, they're static content that has been placed in DF so people dont have to walk to an NPC anymore to queue up for it.

I queued once for T13 when it was still relevant content - I was curious if we would be able to beat it in DF. We did one pull, then realised that the random composition the DF had blessed us with aswell as the lack of knowledge of the fight and the inability of people to understand and execute mechanics, would make it impossible to even reach the second phase.
And thats why no one queues for it, because everyone who is aware about what that content is, knows that thats what going to happen.

[MistakeNot]

And this is why I keep looking at you guys like you're lost in some other reality...

50th level is not "End Game" content anymore...

That would be level 60th... 50th level is irrelevent at this point...

And Bahamet is sitting empty... with no one in the queues anymore... so its even more irrelevent or in need of either an upgrade... or downgrade... one of the two.

Level 50 content is not "End Game" anymore - true so far. That does not make level 50 content irrelevant.
Only someone truely clueless and disconnected from reality would think that "End Game" is the only thing that is relevant.

Oh, and people are running Coil - even if they don't use DF to do it.

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

This thread should just die off already, the argument has been circular for pages upon pages now.

And OP, you really do deserve a pat on the back for being the most annoying person on the forum all week. Thank you for overusing ellipses (that's when you put ... on the end of your sentences, fyi), ignoring literally any point counter to your own whatsoever, and having the most piss poor reading comprehension of anyone I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with, online or off.

[Vanitas]

Either OP truly does not grasp how mmos work or is in fact the greatest troll these forums have ever seen keeping this thread going 41+ pages. /think

[HyoMinPark]

This thread should just die off already, the argument has been circular for pages upon pages now.

And OP, you really do deserve a pat on the back for being the most annoying person on the forum all week. Thank you for overusing ellipses (that's when you put ... on the end of your sentences, fyi), ignoring literally any point counter to your own whatsoever, and having the most piss poor reading comprehension of anyone I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with, online or off.

Either OP truly does not grasp how mmos work or is in fact the greatest troll these forums have ever seen keeping this thread going 41+ pages. /think

To be fair, only half of the 41 pages were people debating with the OP. The other half were people debating with another poster who is on-par with the OP.