Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Vidu]

That's precisely my point, if a lot of pugs wipe due to whatever mechanics/dps check/heal check/positioning/anything that matters, it'll be bothersome to do the roulettes everyday unless you run with a premade party. I like challenging contents, I want harder ex/savage contents, but harder expert roulette (with pugs) is the last thing I want lol.

I understand what you're saying and also why you're saying it - and to a degree I agree: I dont want to constantly wipe in day to day content either. But I'm not sure if we're doing ourselves a favour by requesting this content to made literally faceroll easy since that also means that the content is very, very boring.
We're not talking failing Savage-like mechanics here. We're literally talking "failing to kill an add because dps couldnt be bothered to switch targets"

[aleph_null]

Coils never were meant to be done via DF, if anything they should be put in something like the raid finder to separate practice and clear queues for people who want to do them synced (if any). More importantly the devs don't seem to want to touch the old contents anymore and focus their resources on upcoming new contents. They usually nerf stuffs in the following patch, I don't remember them nerfing contents that were released many patches before. It surely is possible to retune coils for lv 60 players, or nerf it to dungeon level faceroll, but the former would require massive amount of time/effort which will affect upcoming contents, the latter would screw over anyone wanting to do synced clears for challenge. If the devs think those options are worth the cost/risk they'd have done them.

Empty queues are quite normal in this game, have you ever tried queuing for something like gordias or midas savage? Most of them are empty because it's pretty much impossible to clear those via DF (unlike 24 man raids or alex normal), and again the devs don't seem to really care about that. If you want to clear them you'll just have to make a PF.

[Lambdafish]

Well who said "nerf" specifically...

You did, in the next line........

I only recall saying either update them for level 60 (soon to be level 70) content... or nerf them to level 50 dungeon mechanics... and to stop leaving them as half assed content no one plays anymore...

...because right now they're sitting empty... and getting a que for them is impossible... unlike the way you can easily queue for either Alex or Dun so you will find people to run them as intended. But they're stuck in the half assed phase where they are neither one... nor the other so they're sitting empty.

You do realise that BCOB is 4 years old right? I have a niece who just started school that is slightly older than coil. Alexander and Dun scaith are less than 5 months old, they are what we call current content. That is how vertical progression works in an MMO, especially between expansions.

*reads through pointless list of subjective opinions from the OP and ignores it*

They likely don't even bother to read these boards anymore.... So its a complete waste of time. The people here are just that out of touch with the actual game as it is now.

I think you don't understand the game right now, coil is OLD content, 4 years old. And newsflash, people do still run it (well... maybe, most rewards are useless these days and we are in a massive lull, come the expansion though, interest will pick back up). Put in your PF during peak time: "coil progression run, bonus and WT available", and you will find people. Just make sure you research the fight beforehand... its raid content for a reason.

Oh and one last thing... if you are complaining about unsync causing problems, then just run it synced, then you can play it the way it was meant to be played, you'll get higher drops on orchestrion rolls for your effort

[Vidu]

Well who said "nerf" specifically...
I only recall saying either update them for level 60 (soon to be level 70) content... or nerf them to level 50 dungeon mechanics... and to stop leaving them as half assed content no one plays anymore...

No. Let Coils just be what its always has been: Challenging raidcontent for level 50. If you want to "ruin" your experience and ripping yourself of a challenge, thats now your right to do so. Please, go ahead.

FYI: I do play this game - and you know what? I even do Coil still! And you want to even know more? Some friends and I would like to go in syched again soon - just to see if we can still beat it.

...if you want to bring other threads into this btw - you're the guy who "doesnt get the whole gay thing", right? Apparently you also dont get the whole "wanting a challenge" thing...

If you want to talk about experience with the game... well... as far as I can tell you've never touched any difficult content at all. No Savage gear, no EX-primal mounts... its no surprise that you confuse the 24 man raids (who were always supposed to be faceroll easy), Alexander NM (who was supposed to be an easier version, so people could just see the story - thats the compromisse they've made after people complained about it in Coil) with an actual, challenging raidcontent and that you're dissapointed when it turns out to be something else from what you've expected. That its content, that, god forbid!, requires you to pay attention!

Updating them to current levels is a waste of ressource - also, what makes you believe that you could clear them then? You failed T11 because of a mechanic, that would still be in place in the level 60 version.
Nerfing them is taking away a challenge for those who want one - and again: there is enough casual content in this game, if you'd rather not challenge yourself.

Coil is Alexander Savage - not Alexander NM.

Empty queues are quite normal in this game, have you ever tried queuing for something like gordias or midas savage? Most of them are empty because it's pretty much impossible to clear those via DF (unlike 24 man raids or alex normal), and again the devs don't seem to really care about that. If you want to clear them you'll just have to make a PF.

Honestly: Since OP keeps bringing up Alexander (and he HAS to mean Alexander NM), I'm not sure if hes aware that there is a more difficult version and that Coil compares more to that - and not to the "casual" raids he likes to bring up (alex nm, crystal tower, mhach-series)

[bswpayton]

You guys are being so unrealistic are maybe just on the most wonderful server of them all. I had a fc member that had just returned to the game he thought that ilvl 230 weapons where still something so he asked to do alex savage 2, puts it in pf guess what all of two people joined. You guys are just being silly thinking that people just actually run this content like this on a regular basis again their is a reason why there is a normal mod trail roulette and not an extreme trail roulette.

. Nobody wants to fail in this game and this includes all the ones commenting on the thread same reason why in other post everyone's said they dont want to teach content. So if you dont want to teach content then dont expect someone to want to learn easy old 4 year old content. I agree with the op 100 percent if its old and empty nerf it to the ground so people can get their rewards and be done with it , why does it matter so much to everyone.

No content thats current should be nerfed when just implemented but old stuff like this shouldn't have insta kill stuff in it that because its people who normally wouldnt even touch it said content, so it should be super easy for them to complete. And again friends does not equal like minded I have tons of friends in the game, some chat, some craft, some are in statics, I have lots of other mentor friends.

Some just do relics, some just do alex normal, some just do extreme primals, its to much variety to believe that everyone knows 10 other people out there that at any given time would be willing to do something or things that they dont even need for current progression. And no cross server party finder doesnt solve this for every piece of content in the game

[Neophyte]

3. And in this thread I have some people who seem to have no clue that Coils is old news and not "the latest uber raid", and no one plays it anymore so if you want to make it relevant with the new content its got to change, either up or down, and not stay as some half assed "glory days" wannabe.

I don't think half the people on this board even play the game seriously anymore... and if I can pick that out... the devs likely can spot it a mile away too...
They likely don't even bother to read these boards anymore.... So its a complete waste of time. The people here are just that out of touch with the actual game as it is now.

We know that and because it's old news we don't want any resource spent to alter those fights and add new versions.
And not only the old ARR ones, no, with release of Stormblood pretty much every hard HW fight has to be touched, too.
No, thanks.

And maybe you're the one who doesn't play this game enough.
DF is only for high frequented content, cross-server party finder is the thing to go for any content (which is not that popular anymore) synched (i.e. almost as hard as the original and yes, most likely not many people joining) or unsynched (i.e. find people and clear every fight within few minutes, if you can't do or don't want to learn mechanics you can kill yourself and the others will carry you).

"No one plays it anymore"? That's a lie, I did 3 sets of 2nd/3rd coil in the last 2 weeks alone in about 10 minutes each set (if you don't count cutscene time).

And what about the countless people who just do this within their fc or friends, because 3-4 a t least a bit competent people can carry anyone through this fights without even looking for other people.
Well, that'd would be a 4th set in the last 2 weeks for me, because we carried one new member through Coils recently, too.

Go play this game more, pls.

The ammount of people not able to do coils at all with the current options is soooo abysmal small. I know that because I never did fail a coil group I joined out of.. idk.. a couple hundred fights now? Yes, maybe I wiped once, twice or a bit more.. but it was still always beaten in maybe 15 minutes, but most likely 1-2 minutes.
Sooo, everyone who wants will get their kill, so who is the group who actually needs those nerfs and how big is it?

You can be sure, it's way smaller than the group of people who still like the level 50 fights and do them either at level 50 just for fun (with their group) or with less than 8 people unsynched to see how well they do.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Once this content goes in the trash pile of content thats not done anymore there is simply no reason to have the challenge there once it has been accessible to all.

Again, there's like 50% Echo now, many mechanics have been greatly toned down now (T7, which was really tough was probably hit the hardest), and as the one job that can't heal itself (MCH), I can nearly solo T1 and 2 now. You're asking for content that has been nerfed, then made even easier with time, gear, and higher levels to have any and all challenge removed. Why even bother at that point? We say to look up a guide because - and I'm sure many people agree - gear doesn't equal skill. Being level 60 does nothing for you if you don't know how to handle a mechanic designed to kill you, and when the time comes, being level 70 won't help either. Walls in T5/9/13 will still kill you at any level because they're SUPPOSED to. Take that away and divebombs are pointless.

I really don't think those defending the idea of "removing the challenge" from Coil simply because it's old content are aware just how challenging it used to be.

[Istaru]

Again, there's like 50% Echo now, many mechanics have been greatly toned down now (T7, which was really tough was probably hit the hardest), and as the one job that can't heal itself (MCH), I can nearly solo T1 and 2 now. You're asking for content that has been nerfed, then made even easier with time, gear, and higher levels to have any and all challenge removed. Why even bother at that point? We say to look up a guide because - and I'm sure many people agree - gear doesn't equal skill. Being level 60 does nothing for you if you don't know how to handle a mechanic designed to kill you, and when the time comes, being level 70 won't help either. Walls in T5/9/13 will still kill you at any level because they're SUPPOSED to. Take that away and divebombs are pointless.

I really don't think those defending the idea of "removing the challenge" from Coil simply because it's old content are aware just how challenging it used to be.

I also think that they don't care and don't want to. They just want the rewards and to be able to say that they did it.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I did too.

That's why I pushed myself to learn the fights and clear them even when they were current and grueling.

[bswpayton]

I also think that they don't care and don't want to. They just want the rewards and to be able to say that they did it.

I wouldnt say (they) I simply prob will not even run the content like I said because Im very aware that its old and that nobody is gona run it sync . Like I mention earlier people dont even do anything below alex 9 sync got lucky and did it with my fc only because their was a mount involved. But again when I made my thread about rewards and having a sync clear then gettin a reward you totally opposed the idea. And now your sounding like I did until I just realized how this game was and how they players where, so if this is the only version these players will ever do of this content sure give them the rewards and make it easy. Because it simply doesnt even matter at this point so why should they have to put in work.

@ThirdChild_ZKI of course we dont same way those whom join in stormblood want no about any of hw content because it will all go the ways of unsync thus making 75 percent of the game unsyncable