Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[Istaru]

This is just simply messed up to me on the one hand you cant encourage people to say screw this content get on this new content over here. Because you and others have been there to do it , and then say well you cant do it like we did it, but you still should have to work for it. Thats just dumb to me if the community doesn't run this content sync then , those that just wana see it simply view it shouldn't have any hurdles in doing so.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. The one-time champion of remove all rewards from unsync clears defending unsync now.

It's called party finder and friends. Early in HW, I had friends who wanted to clear the ARR primals and coil and wanted help from experienced help. I gathered them up and offered to do it for them on a condition. We would clear them synced, at level 50. What ever were we do to? We spent the time for them to learn and we cleared them. Anyone can do the same. ANYONE. The only thing lacking is desire. Too many people dont want any challenges anymore.

Nobody is asking for a cupcake game , I mean the post on the asking to nerf potd is a bit much but the majority of people arent asking for such things.

I disagree!! Nerf Pharos Sirius. Nerf the bees in Amdapor Keep! Nerf Steps of Faith! Nerf Weeping City! Nerf Final Steps of Faith! Nerf Aurum Vale! Nerf The Vault! Nerf! Nerf! Nerf! Ever since PS and AK, the challenge level of EX dungeons has gone down and down from all the cries of "it's too hard". They are asking for a cupcake game.

But you cant speak with two tongues and tell everyone to skip everything thats not current , but then say well you still need somewhat of a challenge. Once you deem that content old not worth doing for u urself to do then what do you care whether someone else has it way easier. To me if you aren't willing to jump in and help someone get a similar experience to what you yourself had then you should not care how easy it is or not. Thats the problem I see here all these people saying oh dont nerf coil but how many would do a sync run with anyone that wanted one very few. So if you dont even care about the content yourself then dont get mad if someone wants it to be as easy as possible. Once this content is not worth it to the majority it should be as easy as possible for others whom just want to get past it.

See above, I do old content, synced and at times min ilvl too. I do it BECAUSE I care about their experience. Challenge and failure are what make victory as sweet as it is. Without them, victory is meaningless.

[Vidu]

It's just a big waste of resources to alter every single content (What about insta wipe mechanics in Ifrit/Garuda/Leviathan/Ramuh due to too high dps??? What about the granite gaol in Titan Hm which is insta wipe if you're alone?)

(Quick note: The goals dont kill you if you have enough HP - they deal about 18k damage, so just make sure to get over that gap - they're not an insta-wipe. When a friend and I dou'd this content with an ilvl of 210 or so his scholar would slap on a few tank-accessorires to survive it. We eventually managed to beat it this way - obviously because... well, we read the fight, figured out the problems and came up with a way of addressing them - which is actually how all content works - sometimes the solution is just harder to find or to execute or the problem doesnt matter anymore - which is whats itching me here the whole time: People asking for careless, dull, mechanicless content...)

[Kuroneko_Jutah]

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[Neophyte]

(Quick note: The goals dont kill you if you have enough HP - they deal about 18k damage, so just make sure to get over that gap - ...)

This only applies to Titan Ex. If you're alone in Titan HM the screen turns black if you get gaol and you lose. Idk, maybe by now you can skip that, but if you get it -> wipe.

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In addition to my other post: Going the way the OP requests would mean to rework every HW fight with release from Stormblood, too. That's what I mean by wasted ressources...
e.g. A1s and even A1n has insta wipe if you don't kill both bosses in a specific time frame (selfdestruct).
Sephiroth Ex has insta wipe if you don't do the 1st set of towers at the colour phase (greens will die and then tethers will oneshot orange ones).
Niddhog ex has insta wipe if you don't gather orbs with red tethers or blue tethers never avoiding damage and either fang or claw explodes.
In Sophia Ex it's insta wipe if you don't go edge on big push or if your group goes accidently to a mirage with Aero-Cast.

Etc...

[aleph_null]

I wonder what the OP will have to say about unsync alex savage one-two years from now.

(Quick note: The goals dont kill you if you have enough HP - they deal about 18k damage, so just make sure to get over that gap - they're not an insta-wipe. When a friend and I dou'd this content with an ilvl of 210 or so his scholar would slap on a few tank-accessorires to survive it. We eventually managed to beat it this way - obviously because... well, we read the fight, figured out the problems and came up with a way of addressing them - which is actually how all content works - sometimes the solution is just harder to find or to execute or the problem doesnt matter anymore - which is whats itching me here the whole time: People asking for careless, dull, mechanicless content...)

In hard mode it'll reset the encounter if you're alone and you get gaoled, even if it won't kill you. In ex it doesn't reset the encounter, which allows people to solo titan ex with tanks (and maybe some other jobs that I'm not aware of).

[Lambdafish]

I disagree!! Nerf Pharos Sirius. Nerf the bees in Amdapor Keep! Nerf Steps of Faith! Nerf Weeping City! Nerf Final Steps of Faith! Nerf Aurum Vale! Nerf The Vault! Nerf! Nerf! Nerf! Ever since PS and AK, the challenge level of EX dungeons has gone down and down from all the cries of "it's too hard". They are asking for a cupcake game.

This is the kicker, the devs actually listen and do nerf these pieces of content. I loved Pharos Sirius pre nerf, I loved Steps of faith pre nerf. I thought they represented true end game casual content until the nerf. Thankfully 3.3 was one of the best patches ever in terms of difficulty, weeping city was pushed so hard by the community to be kept the way it was and I felt that Nidhogg story actually provided a surprising challenge the first time around. Shame that mentality didn't stay though...

Just need to get those dungeons back up to vault difficulty and I will be happy.

[bswpayton]

This only applies to Titan Ex. If you're alone in Titan HM the screen turns black if you get gaol and you lose. Idk, maybe by now you can skip that, but if you get it -> wipe.



Etc...

But those are kinda different tho more so dps checks , just like in shiva if you dont kill the adds when its sync isnta wipe, same with ramuh. But with unsync your so powerful that you can easily kill adds etc so I wouldnt really use those as an example other than maybe nidhog. You would skip towers on unsync sep as well, like how on ifrit extreme unsync now the nails are the only thing that make him a bit longer than than garuda cause you have to destroy them. Insta kill stuff If i rem in turn 5 when some friends ask me to do it , it was a move that if you didnt move right away or something it was insta wipe so Im guessing the op is talkin about mechanics like that more so than dps checks

[Vidu]

But those are kinda different tho more so dps checks ,

So "removing" one mechanic - the dps-check is some sort of mechanic that gets removed when you're so overpowered - should equal the removal of all other mechanics too? Where is logic? Where is reason? Nerf-wantu-eh talks nonsense.

(And yes, my bad, I confused the two Titan modes... or, I actually just forgot that thats obviously a problem in the HM since the goal wont resolve itself like it does in EX)

This is just simply messed up to me on the one hand you cant encourage people to say screw this content get on this new content over here. Because you and others have been there to do it , and then say well you cant do it like we did it, but you still should have to work for it. Thats just dum to me if the community doesnt run this content sync then , those that just wana see it simply view it shouldn't have any hurdles in doing so.

I am actually saying: Do it like we did it!
Form a party of like minded people who want to do this content - either synched or unsyched, its up to you! use the PF. Make friends. Join a FC. Ask your FC. Create a linkshell with people who want to do this content. THATS how we did it. And you can still do all of that today - heck, you have cross-world PF and the content in DF, so you dont have to stand at wineport, shouting for a bard for T1 ("must know when to silence and how to feed!")
I dont know where you get the idea from that we just queued up in DF and were done in 20 minutes...

Forming a static can take weeks - thats what we did. And you cry over 30 minutes in the DF...
Judging from all those thread from people who are saying "I want to do this content, but no one else does" it seems there are just a bunch of lonely wolves out there who dont want to put the needed social-effort into the content... I see PF-parties for all turns fill up everyday - dont tell me there arent enough people out there who'd like to do the content - people, who'd also like the content to be a challenge, not just a dummy.

[aleph_null]

This is the kicker, the devs actually listen and do nerf these pieces of content. I loved Pharos Sirius pre nerf, I loved Steps of faith pre nerf. I thought they represented true end game casual content until the nerf. Thankfully 3.3 was one of the best patches ever in terms of difficulty, weeping city was pushed so hard by the community to be kept the way it was and I felt that Nidhogg story actually provided a surprising challenge the first time around. Shame that mentality didn't stay though...

Just need to get those dungeons back up to vault difficulty and I will be happy.

To be perfectly honest I'd rather have faceroll dungeons for expert/60 roulettes. Those dungeons are (kinda) meant to be run on a daily basis when you're early into a raid cycle, so putting challenging mechanics may actually have negative impact on everyone, if they become too bothersome or difficult that subpar pugs take either very long to clear or just outright unable to clear them. Of course there should be a sweet spot between interesting/challenging and troublesome/annoying, but for something you run everyday it's probably a very thin line. I'm fine with higher difficulty on story trials or even solo encounters, or even new type of challenging light party contents, but I don't really want a hard expert roulette.

[Neophyte]

But those are kinda different tho more so dps checks , just like in shiva if you dont kill the adds when its sync isnta wipe, same with ramuh. But with unsync your so powerful that you can easily kill adds etc so I wouldnt really use those as an example other than maybe nidhog. You would skip towers onunsync sep as well, like how on ifrit extreme unsync now the nails are the only thing that make him a bit longer than than garuda cause you have to destroy them. Insta kill stuff If i rem in turn 5 when some friends ask me to do it , it was a move that if you didnt move right away or something it was insta wipe so Im guessing the op is talkin about mechanics like that more so than dps checks

You can't skip sephiroth towers probably, he will start with them at ~65% health and just does his rotation without skips.
On Niddhog you can push Fang&Claw though by getting him below 40% before that mechanic.

But does this also apply if you do them with only 2 people?

Doesn't 'faceroll unsynch' include that I can beat Sephiroth ex with 2 people, screw whatever colour mechsnic there is? I shouldn't be affected by my debuff and by what's happening in the fight right now, right?
What if we just don't dps enough to skip, because 6 people fell off the arena?
Wouldn't it be a bit hard to deny a victory then?
Not very faceroll.