Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[bswpayton]

Sometimes I come here are read the forums and it really saddens me. In so many ways, the game seems like a disease riddled animal that is either very close to .

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This is just simply messed up to me on the one hand you cant encourage people to say screw this content get on this new content over here. Because you and others have been there to do it , and then say well you cant do it like we did it, but you still should have to work for it. Thats just dum to me if the community doesnt run this content sync then , those that just wana see it simply view it shouldn't have any hurdles in doing so.

Nobody is asking for a cupcake game , I mean the post on the asking to nerf potd is a bit much but the majority of people arent asking for such things. But you cant speak with two tongues and tell everyone to skip everything thats not current , but then say well you still need somewhat of a challenge. Once you deem that content old not worth doing for u urself to do then what do you care whether someone else has it way easier. To me if you aren't willing to jump in and help someone get a similar experience to what you yourself had then you should not care how easy it is or not. Thats the problem I see here all these people saying oh dont nerf coil but how many would do a sync run with anyone that wanted one very few. So if you dont even care about the content yourself then dont get mad if someone wants it to be as easy as possible. Once this content is not worth it to the majority it should be as easy as possible for others whom just want to get past it.

@sarehptar

I wouldnt know because If I cant do it sync more than likely ill never do it so I really dont know what the mechanics are so I guess maybe the op would know what it was. That being said it still should be as easy as possible if its story connected to it. While unsync it should be faceroll its no reason to have challenge once nobody cares about the content any longer, have you not do garuda extreme unsync you can essentially ignore the two adds, ignore spiny and just destroy her in two mins. If anything with the unysnc feature it should be like this if those just simply want the option to do it this way is all Im saying.

[sarehptar]

@sarehptar

I wouldnt know because If I cant do it sync more than likely ill never do it so I really dont know what the mechanics are so I guess maybe the op would know what it was. That being said it still should be as easy as possible if its story connected to it.

I'm... really confused about what you're asking for then. You want to do it synced, but you want it to be faceroll easy even while synced?

[Istaru]

This is just simply messed up to me on the one hand you cant encourage people to say screw this content get on this new content over here. Because you and others have been there to do it , and then say well you cant do it like we did it, but you still should have to work for it. Thats just dumb to me if the community doesn't run this content sync then , those that just wana see it simply view it shouldn't have any hurdles in doing so.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. The one-time champion of remove all rewards from unsync clears defending unsync now.

It's called party finder and friends. Early in HW, I had friends who wanted to clear the ARR primals and coil and wanted help from experienced help. I gathered them up and offered to do it for them on a condition. We would clear them synced, at level 50. What ever were we do to? We spent the time for them to learn and we cleared them. Anyone can do the same. ANYONE. The only thing lacking is desire. Too many people dont want any challenges anymore.

Nobody is asking for a cupcake game , I mean the post on the asking to nerf potd is a bit much but the majority of people arent asking for such things.

I disagree!! Nerf Pharos Sirius. Nerf the bees in Amdapor Keep! Nerf Steps of Faith! Nerf Weeping City! Nerf Final Steps of Faith! Nerf Aurum Vale! Nerf The Vault! Nerf! Nerf! Nerf! Ever since PS and AK, the challenge level of EX dungeons has gone down and down from all the cries of "it's too hard". They are asking for a cupcake game.

But you cant speak with two tongues and tell everyone to skip everything thats not current , but then say well you still need somewhat of a challenge. Once you deem that content old not worth doing for u urself to do then what do you care whether someone else has it way easier. To me if you aren't willing to jump in and help someone get a similar experience to what you yourself had then you should not care how easy it is or not. Thats the problem I see here all these people saying oh dont nerf coil but how many would do a sync run with anyone that wanted one very few. So if you dont even care about the content yourself then dont get mad if someone wants it to be as easy as possible. Once this content is not worth it to the majority it should be as easy as possible for others whom just want to get past it.

See above, I do old content, synced and at times min ilvl too. I do it BECAUSE I care about their experience. Challenge and failure are what make victory as sweet as it is. Without them, victory is meaningless.

[Lambdafish]

I disagree!! Nerf Pharos Sirius. Nerf the bees in Amdapor Keep! Nerf Steps of Faith! Nerf Weeping City! Nerf Final Steps of Faith! Nerf Aurum Vale! Nerf The Vault! Nerf! Nerf! Nerf! Ever since PS and AK, the challenge level of EX dungeons has gone down and down from all the cries of "it's too hard". They are asking for a cupcake game.

This is the kicker, the devs actually listen and do nerf these pieces of content. I loved Pharos Sirius pre nerf, I loved Steps of faith pre nerf. I thought they represented true end game casual content until the nerf. Thankfully 3.3 was one of the best patches ever in terms of difficulty, weeping city was pushed so hard by the community to be kept the way it was and I felt that Nidhogg story actually provided a surprising challenge the first time around. Shame that mentality didn't stay though...

Just need to get those dungeons back up to vault difficulty and I will be happy.

[aleph_null]

This is the kicker, the devs actually listen and do nerf these pieces of content. I loved Pharos Sirius pre nerf, I loved Steps of faith pre nerf. I thought they represented true end game casual content until the nerf. Thankfully 3.3 was one of the best patches ever in terms of difficulty, weeping city was pushed so hard by the community to be kept the way it was and I felt that Nidhogg story actually provided a surprising challenge the first time around. Shame that mentality didn't stay though...

Just need to get those dungeons back up to vault difficulty and I will be happy.

To be perfectly honest I'd rather have faceroll dungeons for expert/60 roulettes. Those dungeons are (kinda) meant to be run on a daily basis when you're early into a raid cycle, so putting challenging mechanics may actually have negative impact on everyone, if they become too bothersome or difficult that subpar pugs take either very long to clear or just outright unable to clear them. Of course there should be a sweet spot between interesting/challenging and troublesome/annoying, but for something you run everyday it's probably a very thin line. I'm fine with higher difficulty on story trials or even solo encounters, or even new type of challenging light party contents, but I don't really want a hard expert roulette.

[Silverquick]

This is the kicker, the devs actually listen and do nerf these pieces of content. I loved Pharos Sirius pre nerf, I loved Steps of faith pre nerf. I thought they represented true end game casual content until the nerf. Thankfully 3.3 was one of the best patches ever in terms of difficulty, weeping city was pushed so hard by the community to be kept the way it was and I felt that Nidhogg story actually provided a surprising challenge the first time around. Shame that mentality didn't stay though...

Just need to get those dungeons back up to vault difficulty and I will be happy.

Well who said "nerf" specifically...

I only recall saying either update them for level 60 (soon to be level 70) content... or nerf them to level 50 dungeon mechanics... and to stop leaving them as half assed content no one plays anymore...

...because right now they're sitting empty... and getting a que for them is impossible... unlike the way you can easily queue for either Alex or Dun so you will find people to run them as intended. But they're stuck in the half assed phase where they are neither one... nor the other so they're sitting empty.

That said... I do now see this thread as a complete waste of time...

Its become painfully apparent from this thread and many others that most of the people here don't even play this game anymore... they're that out of touch with it at this point. Its like they're stuck in their glory days or living in their own little world.

1. I've watched people asking for a total revamp of the Summoner without having any clue how fun or powerful they are right now... or popular for that matter... its like they never played it past 50th.

2. I've watched some asking for uni-sex glamors when the actual ones given are the very ones that are so unpopular people glamor out of them as soon as possible.. while I've seen people into the Glamors, they tend to like screwy pumpkin head or moogle, or Disneyland type Glamors, or showy flashy noble type glamors... ie, anything but unisex. They are obviously just as out of touch and living in their own world.

3. And in this thread I have some people who seem to have no clue that Coils is old news and not "the latest uber raid", and no one plays it anymore so if you want to make it relevant with the new content its got to change, either up or down, and not stay as some half assed "glory days" wannabe.

I don't think half the people on this board even play the game seriously anymore... and if I can pick that out... the devs likely can spot it a mile away too...

They likely don't even bother to read these boards anymore.... So its a complete waste of time. The people here are just that out of touch with the actual game as it is now.

[bswpayton]

Oh how the mighty have fallen. The one-time champion of remove all rewards from unsync clears defending unsync now.

Def not defending unsnyc but if the option is there unsync should just mean autoclear cause isnt that the whole point to give access to the content make it 1000 times easier. So its two types of people that run unsync those whom are farming the content mounts etc all that. And those whom would not even touch this content if it wasnt unysnc so for those people that just simply want to get whatever it is they wont out of it it should be as easy as possible.

Because of everyone else the content holds no meaning at all, so why should we ask those less skilled players who stayed out of everyones way to not bring down parties in doing the content sync. To them once SE has given them the tool (unsync) to make them so powerful to where then they to can do it with others that wouldnt normally do it , should any form of the same challenge remain. Those people dont want challenge they just want a clear or goodies , the people who wanted the challenge already got it when it was sync. So I say let the others have it as easy as possible it shouldn't matter at that point.

And maybe you have good friends everyone doesn't I have almost 200 on my list but can count how many are up to do harder forms of content in the game. So the chances of gettin such niche players is very very slim, when I was a sprout still I asked my fc to do sync runs of trails with me and they def recommended doing it unsync like 90 percent of the community does. I dont know why people act like friend equals someone that wants to do the hardest content in the game with you, alot of players are the ones I talked about that dont touch anything outside of 24mans and dungeons.

As far as the nerfs I wasnt here for any arr nerfs but the vault and all of that I dont get yea the last boss is annoying but not really deserving of a nerf, and aurum vale is cheese once you get use to it. Its no reason to nerf any of that stuff, because you still will have people to do it at any given time, nobody does coil people hardly do arr primals so to make them easy would make alot more sense in the realm of unsync

[Vincent_Mateus]

Your definition of how unsync should benefit and be used is largely different than most other people here if you haven't noticed. Unsync can't make people better at the game. If you wipe to meteors in t9 at 50, you'll wipe at 60, and 70 when that's a thing. This is why you should remember this thread, when people cry about Alexander Savage being too hard to clear unsynced. Because they suck at mechanics. Because everything gets nerfed before players suck it up and actually improve.

[Settiesama]

Again, by unsyncing it doesn't mean the content is dead and should be a definite clear. It simply is a way to help people clear it, it feels like you read too much into unsyncing. There is still the glamour and music alongside the story in doing the coils. Content is only trash if there is no reward, or reason at all for clearing, while this content has 3 notable reasons.

Edit: 4 reasons, forgot the minion.

[Settiesama]

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Maybe you should try them out before being on the nerf side of this? You may actually like the challenges the coils still present to you. You seem to be ignoring what we're saying about the meaning behind Unsync anyway.