Why everyone wants do PotD speed run?

[Kaethra]

Where people go wrong is the moment they decide for the other person how it's gonna go.

Someone has to make a decision.

If three people want to get silvers, and One wants to speedrun. Which is it going to be? Think about it for a moment. If you have three players who do NOT want to speed run. It makes them irate, it makes them upset, or makes them physically ill, whatever. And the same thing for the one. Who decides?

Well we know the answer, the majority in this case. But you're going on about neither party is right or wrong. And I'll agree neither is. But does the one have the right to tick off three people because of their playstyle?

What do you do when someone's mere presence is infringing on others?

Someone makes a decision.

Because -that- is the right thing to do. That's called initiative and something that is unfamiliar to normal people. Anyone who works in any sort of professional environment knows what that is. You don't hold up the whole because of feelings or attitude. Someone takes charge, steps up, and initiates a solution for the betterment of the whole.

This doesn't mean one guy gets screwed against a majority. Sometimes concessions can be made. Depends on everyone's disposition. But one has to be made. When you enter a dungeon through the queue. You have made a statement that entails you will be working with 3 random players. You have made a covenant that states you intend to complete the event. Everything else is second to that.

When a player sits in a corner because they wish to speed run. They violate that covenant because they are not ensuring the completion of the goal they agreed to. Same thing with the one player going for every chest at risk to the group.

Someone makes a decision to what type of run it will be. Once the decision is made. Complete the objective. And let's be honest. This thread would never have been started nor gone on for as many pages as it has if most people stepped up and led a group.

Some of you are saying to communicate. This is different. This is a one-sided conversation. What you are suggesting is a 2-way conversation coming to a consensus. There is no consensus. You have a goal. Complete it. It will say Duty Failed if you don't. There is no consensus to a plan, you didn't step up if someone else decided the dungeon. I know this statement pricks at your sensibilities. You've experienced mostly the effects of an unorganized mob in most of your career and experience in games.

Think about that.

When you join a PUG, do you talk? No you run it the way its always been run. If its your first time, you might ask how others do it. But you do it the way everyone else does it. But in PotD (and some dungeons) many of you see two ways to run it. Speed run, and Silver farm. Both have their uses. Now we have players who have different 'personal goals' joining together. Now they want a consensus.

That's not how that works. That's not how the dungeon was designed. You signed up to complete the objective. So complete the damn objective. Its not that hard. Your personal goal doesn't come before that. The moment people figure that out, is the time when threads like this don't need to be created.

Consensus.. there is no consensus. Players have made their choices. You all simply need to make yours.

As for premades, what they do is their business.

[Bloody]

I don't agree in saying that people can't come to a consensus through communication in a DF PUG or mesh personal and game-imposed goals... but written like a good piece of persuasive writing to be sure. I do agree with the overall message about the state of the game and mentalities/behaviors, especially the portion about initiative and decision-making, though. If people don't step up and decide to communicate then there will never be consensus between groups, at which point you do hit the wall of "complete the damn objective" because nobody cares enough to communicate. I guess my take on it (piggybacking off of yours a bit, Kaethra) is that people need to stop thinking inside their boxes and picture the bigger box: your group-mates and the designed objectives, not just your personal "needs" (which are really just wants).

[Jijifli]

I've learned at this point to just run with the flow. If the party wants to speed run, then screw it, we'll speed run. If someone is running for chests, I'm going to go to help them, even if others won't, because that'll only speed up the process.

Only real exception is when someone is kinda low (like maybe 27/25 or something) and really needs them. That's when I try to convince the party and learn every now and again why I should just turn off party chat.

[Vidu]

Guys please stop reply on this thread, i know that i suck in FFXIV when i can't even beat super easy content like Alexander - The Cuff of the Son that is too hard for me.

I already gave up getting any better weapons then ilvl 200 for jobs that i want lvl up to 60 and get decent gear and i also give up even trying to get in 4.0 too when i can't beat super easy content of 3.X.

...I dont think anyone here said that you suck at this game? No one here is attacking you - everyone is just trying to offer you advice or show alternative ways for you to get weapons. No need to throw such a fit...

We all know that its not down to one single person to beat content in this game, thats the very nature of an MMO after all. It is unfortunate that you were paired up with people who might have been new to actually dealing with mechanics or for other reasons not able to handle them and who didnt listen to advice when it was offered. But failing at something in this game (or in general, really) doesnt has to result in nerfing said content.
Content should be allowed to be at least a bit of a challenge without people getting upset straight away - if you feel that you suck you have two options: Get better or give up. Its sad to see that you rather choose the later one, but thats obviously down to you after all...

[Kaethra]

I've learned at this point to just run with the flow. If the party wants to speed run, then screw it, we'll speed run. If someone is running for chests, I'm going to go to help them, even if others won't, because that'll only speed up the process.

Only real exception is when someone is kinda low (like maybe 27/25 or something) and really needs them. That's when I try to convince the party and learn every now and again why I should just turn off party chat.

This has been my take on it. Though it'd be hard to tell by my posts lol. I'm much nicer in game than in the forums.

Guys please stop reply on this thread, i know that i suck in FFXIV when i can't even beat super easy content like Alexander - The Cuff of the Son that is too hard for me.

I already gave up getting any better weapons then ilvl 200 for jobs that i want lvl up to 60 and get decent gear and i also give up even trying to get in 4.0 too when i can't beat super easy content of 3.X.

First of all, you don't get to tell others not to post in a thread. When you open pandora's box, you can't close it. Second, you're selling yourself short. Don't compare your abilities to others. Hell most of the time people aren't half as good as they appear to be. The tank that pulls rooms and rooms may not know how to do their job properly. All a DRK has to do in that situation is Unleash, Paladin flashes, and Warrior Overpowers or whatnot (one of my few classes not past 30 admittedly). Speed running players aren't always good.

But I will say this. If you choose to quit, then yes you're not good. But if you choose to keep going, learn, and are generally willing to work with a team. Then you are a good player, you don't have to be god's gift to FFXIV to be a great player. Just an open mind, good attitude, and willingness to learn from mistakes. That's literally the secret.

[SilkaN]

Same thing happened with ARR endgame that never able beat The binding coil of bahamut turn 5, not even with full group who knew the fight and had ilvl 130 at that point.

I wasn't around for ARR, but back then, 8 man raids had no normal / savage mode distinction like we have today so I don't know if you can really compare the two.

So please guys don't post in theard any more, just let this thread die already and also just report this thread to get closed for sure and i get banned that i can't post more stupid threads in forums, when i shouldn't never post this kind of stupid thread in first place.

After reading stuff like this, it sounds like you just wanted attention. Go back to tumblr.

[Kaethra]

So please guys don't post in theard any more, just let this thread die already and also just report this thread to get closed for sure and i get banned that i can't post more stupid threads in forums, when i shouldn't never post this kind of stupid thread in first place.

If you're going to have that attitude, I'd recommend steering clear of MMOs. Part of the game in this genre is working with other people. Communicating with one another. And being able to take criticism or having a discussion. You don't have to be able to complete crazy endgame content (I've not even stepped into Alexander myself, still working on getting to that point). But at the end of the day, you do need somewhat of a thicker skin then you're displaying.

Getting yourself banned won't stop the discussion. You -might- be able to get the thread locked, but someone can simply create another one and quote from this one. And if you'red banned you can't stop it. If you want out of the discussion, simply stop reading. But IMO its a tad bit arrogant to think you're the sole focus in this discussion simply because you created the thread.