So Cleric Stance

[Mnemosynia]

I hear cleric stance was removed because holy was too strong, and so instead of nerfing holy or all healer aoe's if that was the issue. You remove cleric stance?
I mean wtf who does this?

So why you guys making healers reliant on everyone else to get wins. I know dps is gonna be like i lost because my healer was noob. But they dps they know no better 55% of the game is dps and 10% of them actually know what they are talking about.
Jokes aside.

Bring cleric stance back in pvp because i'm and pretty god damn sure its forcing 20-40 percent of healers to not pvp or more, i just got mostly finished with the pve and the moment i found out cleric was gone i hung up the astro and decided to pvp on my DK and i can imagine im far from being the only healer who's done that.

Moral of the story getting rid of cleric stance will slow kill your pvp if it already hasn't bring it back or atleast a pvp version of it thats not as strong, or nerf healer aoe

[Stormfur]

I'm... a little confused. Why would you need cleric stance in PVP? It swaps your INT and MIND so that you do more attack damage right? You shouldn't be attacking if you're a healer on PVP. It's like throwing pebbles at the opposing team.

Or did I misunderstand?

[Venoshock]

I hear cleric stance was removed because holy was too strong, and so instead of nerfing holy or all healer aoe's if that was the issue. You remove cleric stance?
I mean wtf who does this?

So why you guys making healers reliant on everyone else to get wins. I know dps is gonna be like i lost because my healer was noob. But they dps they know no better 55% of the game is dps and 10% of them actually know what they are talking about.
Jokes aside.

Bring cleric stance back in pvp because i'm and pretty god damn sure its forcing 20-40 percent of healers to not pvp or more, i just got mostly finished with the pve and the moment i found out cleric was gone i hung up the astro and decided to pvp on my DK and i can imagine im far from being the only healer who's done that.

Moral of the story getting rid of cleric stance will slow kill your pvp if it already hasn't bring it back or atleast a pvp version of it thats not as strong, or nerf healer aoe

lol nah, I don't think you've realized this, but unlike pve, pvp is incredibly healing intensive. You don't have time to dps. Heal your team.

You could use your dps abilities in defensive ways that could help your team though;

-If you see an enemy running away from your melee dps? slow their ass down with swiftcast + stella/stone

-You need to get away from annoying enemy dps and/or interupt melee lb? swiftcast + ice 2/holy.

-you wanna interupt enemy bursts at the begining of the match whichnot only helps you but your team too? sprint + swiftcast +holy or sprint + celestial opp

-you want to push some one away from you and sometimes even kill them if you aim it properly? fluid aura


You gotta think outside the box and i know what I'm about to say is going to be taken out of context but in pvp, you are a healer + support. You are there for that only.


edit - now that i think about it, if for some reason you really wanted to dps as healer, you could just equip int accessories and wear the field commander set and go to town. It would gimp your healing though and people would think you're trolling.

[bounddreamer]

I don't think you understand the healer role in pvp. There's some great posts on how to be a good healer in pvp on this sub forum. Might want to check them out.

[Mnemosynia]

So basically 2 warriors and a dragoon just said Nah you don't need to be able to defend your self at all. So basically by your standard your dps classes shouldn't have any utility right your job is to do dps so why you need an escape, or a stun or a slow?

You reaction to healers have half there bar being useless is i want my heals so your not allowed to hurt anyone but yourself?
Moral of the story here now is basically if you wanna be a healer you need to be reliant on dps to get anything done, but if your dps a healer would make your life easier but it not needed because u can still get objectives done.


O gtfo people like you will refuse to heal on purpose.

[Venoshock]

So basically 2 warriors and a dragoon just said Nah you don't need to be able to defend your self at all.

I've played healer in over 1000 matches of FL and a great deal in feast ( i leveled healers just for pvp actually, scarcely heal in pve) and I know how to defend myself without personal dps thank you very much. I've listed 4 ways you can turn offensive abilities in pve into defensive abilities in pvp. You'd be wise to follow them.

You could also...idk, outheal damage taken or ask communicate with your team mates and tell them to defend you especially if you have a paladin with you. Use your pvp abilities and pve utility too. Research is all it takes. You'd then realise that stone 3 and malefic 2 are useless in pvp as it requires cast time and even with CS it won't do as much damage as any real dps.

You seem to have no idea what you're talking about. healers aren't useless. Try playing monk or dragoon when you have battle high/fever without one when you're up against more than one opponent then you'll see what i mean.

[bounddreamer]

So basically 2 warriors and a dragoon just said Nah you don't need to be able to defend your self at all.

O gtfo people like you will refuse to heal on purpose.

You want screenshots of my pvp healing achievements? Yes, I am a warrior main. However, I heal in pvp, both Frontlines and Feast. I'm almost to my third Wolf in White Robes achievement. I've got my Gloria key. The other wins were on other roles because I'm versatile, and I'm not gonna be one of those people who queue in and refuse to change because they want kills.

A good healer is VERY hard to kill in pvp but you're not there to do damage, though I do delight in getting a Rampage. Healers are there to heal, stoneskin, and cc. If I want to get kills I roll Bard.

[Mnemosynia]

You want screenshots of my pvp healing achievements? Yes, I am a warrior main. However, I heal in pvp, both Frontlines and Feast. I'm almost to my third Wolf in White Robes achievement. I've got my Gloria key. The other wins were on other roles because I'm versatile, and I'm not gonna be one of those people who queue in and refuse to change because they want kills.

A good healer is VERY hard to kill in pvp but you're not there to do damage, though I do delight in getting a Rampage. Healers are there to heal, stoneskin, and cc. If I want to get kills I roll Bard.

Okay so if we can just say what classes are there to do i can say tanks are there to tank so they should have no damage at all. Just remove all offense abilities and replace them with cc's.

Thats what your argument is right there.

And further more tanks are hard to kill to so if thats the case they should be unable to kill anyone ever anyways. Again by your standards.

[bounddreamer]

Okay so if we can just say what classes are there to do i can say tanks are there to tank so they should have no damage at all. Just remove all offense abilities and replace them with cc's.

Thats what your argument is right there.

Tanks don't work the same in pvp as they do in pve, either. It's one of the reasons I hate playing tank in pvp, though I will if no one else does.

There isn't an enmity table in pvp. I can't provoke someone off a healer. I can, however, go harass and stun lock the other team's healers or hold someone in place for the dps to burst them down. But I can't actually "tank" opposing team members. That's why tanks roll dps stance unless they need tank stance if they're getting jumped.

Not sure what you mean by "argument." My intent is to inform. You decided my point was invalid because I have "warrior" up by my name. I'm providing more information that I do, in fact, heal pvp.

[Mnemosynia]

Tanks don't work the same in pvp as they do in pve, either. It's one of the reasons I hate playing tank in pvp, though I will if no one else does.

TherThat's why tanks roll dps stance unless they need tank stance if they're getting jumped.

Yep, they roll dps unless they getting ganked then they go into tank stance, and if they don't have to go into tank stance they go into dps stance and wait for it do damage.

I roll heals and if im ganked i run away and when im in those moments when i don't have to heal and i have a low hp target in front me what you know what i do, i wait for a dps to do something or wait for the enemy to run.

WHY CAN'T YOU SEE what i do?
People get to multi task and be viable in different stages of the fight but not healers no you have one job and only that job.