Put back Extreme trial on raid finder again...please

[DaikiKiyoshi]

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This post is so littered with hypocrisy and entitlement/contradiction it's sick. So basically if you didn't get your stuff before it made it into DF too bad so sad. You no longer matter. Which group was the selfish one again? (The answer is painfully obvious and this question is rhetorical.)

[Dualgunner]

I can't read this shit without winding myself, please please PLEASE learn to break up text walls

I just realized, you say 90% of people haven't cleared, but the 10% that have are somehow cutting the 90% out of clearing?

EDIT: I'll amend to insinuate, as the argument you're making relies on what I've said before as the premise, however I cannot find a direct quote of you saying that.

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

I like how this community somehow feels that everyone is obligated to help whether it is in our nature to do so, like it or not. And right now it is somehow our fault if we don't get our bird before it was brought to duty finder wow lolol.

Bswpayton you probably posted one of the most contradicting and hypocritical post in this thread, I have farmed my stuff through RF and even learnt the fights from there. You seem extremely aggressive towards a certain group of people (the veterans) but it still does not justify the choices of your words, well guess it was my fault I didn't get my birds before all of this, not RNG or not the people who outrolled me, yup totally my fault lol.

[Annoynymoose]

A wall of contradiction and hypocrisy ಠ_ಠ

You're one of the reason why we can't have nice things.

[Mejingjard]

I like how this community somehow feels that everyone is obligated to help whether it is in our nature to do so, like it or not.

Not the community, only spoiled little kids spitting at the face of players who learn fights, while expecting them to carry their ass later because , you know, they can't be bothered spending time to earn something

[bswpayton]

Not the community, only spoiled little

How people think that those who like duty finder want a carry is beyond me

[OMGAFLYINGPENGUIN]

How people think that those who like duty finder want a carry is beyond me

Same could be said to you. How you think that everything in RF is toxic, every veterans or "farmer" are perfectionist/elitist who are incapable of teaching and how not getting a bird mount before DF is beyond me. It is like you never really read through the point others have brought across for the past 19 pages, shoving all the valid reasoning aside and just went about what you think the Veteran community is like.

Look I don't know what you went through in your server to so pessimistic about the people you label as farmer and perfectionist, but I assure you that you are exaggerating it. Seriously do you have any idea how absurd this sounds, " people who control the pf and the rf are just not getting their way at the moment for two months and thats all".

If you claim savage and extreme trials to be so toxic and now that the "People who were initially controlling RF & PF" have moved to DF why are you even doing EX trials if you are trying to deter from toxicity yet claim that it is from these places is where toxicity is spewed from? You generalise things too easily, yet cry foul when claim that the elitist outcast the "casual" players?

Let me get one thing straight, the elitist players that made you this bitter does not represent the majority of the veterans, neither do you represent the players who you claim to be in the same category as you, because not everyone share the same opinion as you do. So stop being stereotypical.

[bswpayton]

Same could be said to you. How you think that everything in RF is toxic, every veterans or "farmer" are perfectionist/elitist who are incapable of teaching and how not getting a bird mount before DF is beyond me. It is like you never really read through the point others .

I have done my content with friends are fc members or in pf groups where for the most part people are super cool and chill if it doesn't work out it just doesn't. But lets be honest here if a brand new level one player where to glance at the pf when it has 20 or more parties up how would they get the impression that as far as high level content they would be accepted. Anyone that knows how to read can clearly see the writing on the wall in the pf that basically says as far as we are concerned dont even que up for this content.

People are really over exaggerating the amount of learning parties that are up at any given time on average there are way less learning parties than there are farm parties. The very next day after zur came out it was already parties saying to know the fight , actually some the very same day. And the very same people on here that are sayin they want that filter back for two months are also claiming that people just want a carry.

I dont know about other people but I main tanks or healers and nobody is carrying me through any content. I personally dont even count unsync clears nor clears where I was dead at the end of the fight as a clear so I certainly am not looking for a carry this assumption i just wrong. So that very accusation that people just need these great amazing vet players to clear content or they are doom is the same attitude thats in the pf.

People just need slots to fill up doesn't matter if you are new are vet whatever people just need access to content, the way most of the people in here would have it is the only access someone who doesnt know a fight is to make a learning party and thats it. But yet they are totally fine with having the rf locked up and the party finder locked up for themselves but everyone else must have a single option. Well SE has spoken and just like the nerfed the raids, nerfed all kinds of things they also made these primals more accessible I didnt say made it easier to clear because Im sure that it didnt.

But at this point when everything has been in your favor then why get upset when now the content is open for everyone, we both no its not gona change just because this thread is here. So why not just get over it , its two months, I will be fully aware that all new raids and primal in sb will be going right into rf.

Im ok with that I dont wana get rid of rf even tho I prefer duty finder, but I know it has its purpose so if people can be ok with knowing if they are slow to learn they will be excluded . Then why cant the opposition be ok with content thats already been out there now being more accessible to the masses?

[aleph_null]

The number of practice parties would be proportional to the number of people who haven't cleared. The contents we're talking about (creator savage, zurvan ex) are months old, they're somewhat past their "best before date" so it's not weird that there are more farm groups than practice, especially considering they're quite easier than previous savage/ex so many people who are interested in such contents have cleared them. If you're months late then tough luck, there are less people like you so it'll be harder to make a practice group. Is it unfair? Well life is unfair. It's not our fault that we were playing this game 5-ish months ago when creator savage was released. It's also not your fault that you didn't clear those contents soon after their release, but that's just how it works: more people cleared = more farm groups.

Zurvan (and sophia, a9s, a10s) were clearable after few hours of practice for most people, so it's not strange that you see later phase practice parties (or even clear/farm parties) on the day they're released. On the other hand, that doesn't mean there are no practice parties. I saw a lot of practice parties for zurvan/sophia weeks after they were released. Just because some people make farm/clear PF groups a few hours after release doesn't mean you can't make a practice PF group. They're faster than you, so what? Can't they be? They're not obliged to help others who are slower to get up to where they are. Another important thing is that there are many of those clear/farm parties few hours after patch because it's actually clearable quickly so there are enough people to fill those parties, otherwise people wouldn't bother. If someone made an aim to clear PF group for a12s 3 days after patch they're probably trolling or crazy.

[Vanitas]

Sorry friend but let's face it you can have a full group of people who "cleared" be 10x worse that that one guy desperate for a clear who probably would have been your top dps if they joined as such.
What I'm trying to say is that even with content in raid finder, there's no real chance of that group being legit even with a whole team of "farmers". it really makes no difference in the end to be honest. You either get a good group or a poo poo storm. Blocking people who haven't cleared with rf BARELY mitigates this.