Put back Extreme trial on raid finder again...please

[Feidam]

Why though? It's simpler and most likely faster than having to make a PF, wait for people to join, and in the end you still have to open DF/RF and queue. I see it as a QOL feature for quick farm.

Exactly.nice simple easy fast way to do "X". Unless you have not cleared. Then good luck getting anything to pop. That's the point. It should be equal time for any person utilizing the raid finder.

Extreme primals are all I really do now days personally. So it really doesn't matter much to my play time. I however am not blind to others plight trying to do said content because they didn't play or were not able to the content the first week it was launched.

[KDSilver]

By the way, someone said that we don't really care or something cause Stormblood will come soon.
But the thing is... we're not in Stormblood yet.

So adding Extreme to the duty finder, i'm for it, there's no problem, but not now.

[Dualgunner]

Exactly.nice simple easy fast way to do "X". Unless you have not cleared. Then good luck getting anything to pop. That's the point. It should be equal time for any person utilizing the raid finder.

It's also not fair that tanks queue faster than dps. It should be equal for any person utilizing the duty finder.

Extreme primals are all I really do now days personally.

Why not spend your time in party finder joining clear parties or making teaching parties then? You'd be killing two birds with one stone: doing your primals *and* helping the next generation needing their clear get through the EX primal.

[KDSilver]

Because sometimes, it's doesn't really help those people actually.
And I have a perfect example for this.

One day, we were 4 people (me as a healer) who helped a "kill party".
It was on Sophia EX. The other healer spend 90% of the fight dead. I had to raise her all the time and heal alone.
She got her clear, but doesn't mean she knows the fight since she was failing every mecanics even with explanation.
And sometimes, people who got their clears think that because they have it, they are able to farm while they can't.

+depending on everyone's playtime and schedule, some people don't want to help others because they don't have the time to. If they managed to farm for themselves it's great for them...
Keep that in mind when we are talking about "please stop making people waste time". Wiping again and again when they are trying to get a rare mount... this is selfish to always defend the new players side without trying to understand why the others are reacting like that

[Rongway]

Um, this might be a stupid question, but is there any reason not to have both? Move it to DF, but leave content in RF too so the leader can just pick where to queue? Or even better, just add an extra checkbox to DF and avoid the extra layer of complication entirely?

It's not a stupid question. That redundancy would be redundant, though.



I agree with Talrein's exclusion points. People who are queuing up without a full party should not get to be allowed to exclude people from their match-ups. Inclusiveness is the primary feature of the duty finder system.

But we should also understand that when someone forms a full party with a specific goal, it's obnoxious for people to join party without meeting the expectations of that full party.


Really, despite what people think they need, what they should be asking for is for the DF window to tell them if anyone in the party is new. It could display in the Reward area of the DF window, similar to the Adventurer in Need bonus.

What we really need is this:




Raid finder is an unnecessary addition, given that we have a richly featured Party Finder. Raid Finder's primary feature, the ability to exclude people who have not cleared content, is not enough to warrant an entirely separate interface for it.

We should just abolish the raid finder altogether, and add a simple indicator to the Duty Finder window that shows that someone in the party hasn't cleared the content.

With this in place, people who wanted to run with no preference could still DF it with randoms, while people who want to farm can form a full party via Party Finder, then easily see, before queuing, if all party members meet the expectation of having previously cleared.

[Dualgunner]

Because sometimes, it's doesn't really help those people actually.
And I have a perfect example for this.

That's true enough. Unfortunately it's difficult to control for that no matter the method of clearing. I personally (read: don't hold anyone else to this) don't join any farm parties until I have two or three clears under my belt to control for fluke wins.

[KDSilver]

It's nice to read that.

I wish more people would think the same. I'm just like you. Before farming, I want to be sure to understand every mecanics.
Because well, if I want to farm it I don't want my party to wipe... especially because I'm a healer.
But doesn't mean that a dps shouldn't care because Extreme have an enrage timer, so we don't have all the time we want

[RukiaFae]

Why do we need the raid finder? Just add the options from raid finder to DF/PF, select your requirements and call it a day. RF was only needed prior to cross server PF. We don't need all extra systems that are not being used. After cross server PF, RF was dead unless you already had a full party.

[KDSilver]

Well, this isn't Raid Finder itself but indeed the function to select the "cleared" option.
Because well, i'm not the only one who met a guy who came on a "farm party" with a bonus and don't know the fight, leading the party to disband because it's a waste of time.

[alimdia]

I still have yet to clear extremes because learning parties never happen

Primal:




Aether




We all can open PF any time and see whether you're telling the truth or not, note right not it's not even NA prime, these parties will double in a matter of an hour or two. Another thing many of you don't notice is in those clear parties like half the team usually has the clear already, there are many people who join clear or learning parties out of boredom.

If your parties aren't filling either A) there's another up and you didn't notice, or B) you're doing it during an odd hour in your data center.

Seriously, use PF, you aren't gonna learn anything through DF if every time you queue you're back to square one.