Put back Extreme trial on raid finder again...please

[KDSilver]

Well, this isn't Raid Finder itself but indeed the function to select the "cleared" option.
Because well, i'm not the only one who met a guy who came on a "farm party" with a bonus and don't know the fight, leading the party to disband because it's a waste of time.

[KDSilver]

This is problem with the community itself.
People who think that, those who have already cleared thing should dedicate all their time and energy to be nice to them and teach them everything while those same people already learned a long time ago by themselves.

You can't expect everyone to have the time and will to do that and should consider that, you'll have to meet people that are sharing the same goal as you.

There are times when you can help if you feel you want it, there's a time when you also do things for yourself and expect the others to understand that they don't have the same experience as you so they can't join...
And there is nothing toxic ou discriminating in that.

We all have differents experiences, goals and expectation.

That's why pf exists on which you can put a description to let player know what you exactly want to do in the duty.
The day things will get better is the day when people will actually respect what is asked in the description.

[Ririta]

And then people wonder why Yoshida doesn't wants to add more hardcore content.

[RosaLunaCelestia]

Raid finder was a desert lol No one used it . Always over 30 min waiting and no one xD

[ShadowHunterrX]

I laugh at the PF clear party's. I joined plenty and most of them end in 2 wipes with a rage quite. It's always the guy that blames who leaves...but most of the time the blamer is the cause of the wipes.

Even with the option *cleared* there will always be leechers. A clear isnt a token that someone knows the fight. Personaly I have more kills with learning party's. Party's that created better players for those fights.

Clear or not. You just need to be lucky who you get in the party. There are plenty of leechers who cleared a fight and will never learn the fight. Those are in my eyes the worst.

[Sida]

When raid finder was put in the game there was no cross server PF. What it helped with was a chance to find a group in servers with smaller outside of static population. For content that wasn't yet in the DF. The options in the interface where attempting to offer similar restrictions that usually would be conversed about in PF group. However, as seen it wasn't a perfect tool for that. Now we have cross platform PF to fill the same need, for those without static to have larger pool of people to attempt to play with.

[Rongway]

if you aboilish the raid finder and add that indicator to the duty finder that says someone in your party hasn't cleared this. are you going to give people the option to withdraw from that duty without penalty if that indicator comes up.. maybe they joined to farm a couple of quick wins or are you going to basically hold them to ransom and force them to help you learn or eat a 30 minute penalty... (what happened to there time being as important as yours?)

What are you on about? There's no penalty for declining participation in a full party. You're not making any sense.

the raid finder does not exclude anyone from content.

That's exactly what it's for. It specifically lets you say, "I do not want to play with anyone unless they've cleared this already." And that has always been the only feature of it that actually worked. Practice Phase 1, Practice Phase 2, and Duty Completion were never enforced, and people entering for the first time could choose the Duty Completion option and waste everyone's time.

if practice parties take longer to fill than farm parties that doesn't mean the farmers should have to help you out.

I said zero about forcing farmers to help people. I said, and you even included this quote in your reply,

With this in place ... people who want to farm can form a full party via Party Finder, then easily see, before queuing, if all party members meet the expectation of having previously cleared. [emphasis added]

You don't need a raid interface whose sole feature is a previous clear check. You just need the game tell you if anyone who is in your pre-formed party hasn't cleared the content, before you queue, so we can skip the part where you're pissed off because you entered the raid/trial and immediately disbanded because somebody didn't respect the party finder comment.

[Dzian]

What are you on about? There's no penalty for declining participation in a full party. You're not making any sense..

Yes there is. if a duty dings, and you click withdraw you get a strike. 3 of them and your locked out of duty finder for 30 minutes...

So under your suggestion and the image you linked when the duty finder makes a party and dings it would tell you if someone in that party is new.. so what I said was would you then allow people to withdraw without penalty... or would you force them to either eat the 30 minutes or help a newbie clear it even if they specifically joined the duty finder to farm...

once again the raid finder does not exclude anyone from content. the only thing it does it stop you joining a farm party if you have not cleared the fight. it does not stop you in any way from joining or creating a learning party or a clear party so you can still do the content... you are not excluded..

just because you can't join a farm party does not mean you cannot do the content at all.... it's common sense really because if people who had never cleared content were excluded from it how the hell would anyone ever get in that content in the first place...

[Rongway]

A lack of understanding of how the game works.

A lack of understanding of the suggestion.

A self contradiction.

An irrelevant comment that has nothing to do with anything that I said.

Please read what I wrote and make sure you understand it before writing any more nonsensical replies. You're arguing with me over things I didn't say or you're arguing with yourself.



You're not penalized for declining duty participation if you're queued with a complete party. You're only penalized when you are matched with random people.

The image is of the duty finder window, not the queue window. The one that you have to look at before you queue. There would be opportunity for people to see it before confirming participation. Besides that, you're not penalized for declining duty participation if you're queued with a complete party. You're only penalized when you are matched with random people. If you're queued with a complete party, you're not penalized for declining duty participation.

You say the raid finder is not exclusionary, and then explain exactly how it's exclusionary.

The final statement is so absurd I don't even know where to begin. At no time did I say that new people should be able to join farm parties, nor that new people were suffering from not being able to join farm parties, nor that people making farm parties should have to accommodate new people. I very much did say that people who want to farm should get seven other farm-minded people together via party finder, and that a simple indicator should tell the party if everyone has cleared the content they're about to queue for. I also did say that the raid finder is unnecessary, because it is nothing more than a duty finder with an "I want to exclude new people" button. So just get rid of the raid finder and give people a simple indicator that tells you if everyone in your preformed party has cleared the content.

[Reinha]

Splitting people between RF, PF and DF makes it harder for people to find a group. RF should go imo, and better functionalities added to DF and PF at the same time. Like the suggested ability to see the first timer bonus in the duty window before queuing. Or a tick-box which enforces previous completion like item levels are enforced. Or they could add a /bonus command for party leaders, which would echo back the names of those without a clear.

/bonus "The Howling Eye (Extreme)"
The following players have not yet cleared the duty:
Player One
Player Two