Why no Xbox?

[Underlord]

It's been a long time, but I'm almost positive pc, ps2 and Xbox all played together on ffxi. Although Xbox was a late adapter to the game. So between then and now, I'm pretty sure it's all about the $$ from M$ and Xbox live.

[Kosmos992k]

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This is the last time I will respond to your nonsense. PSN is the only thing needed for playing FFXIV on PS4, PLPLUS is not involved at all. PSN is 100% free, and is only used to authenticate you, your PS4 and your license. Once you login to FFXIV Sonys network could go down completely and you get to continue playing because PSN isn't involved in playing FFXIV.

This is one of the models of online gaming that Sony supports. There are others, it depends on what the game developer and publisher want to do.

I'm still not sure what point you are really arguing, it seems each time that you narrow your point further, either way, you clearly will not listen to reason. Long story short, Sony supports cross platform play both with and without PS PLUS, Microsoft only supports restricted cross play within XBL Gold membership. What more need be said?

[era1Ne]

This is the last time I will respond to your nonsense. PSN is the only thing needed for playing FFXIV on PS4, PLPLUS is not involved at all. PSN is 100% free, and is only used to authenticate you, your PS4 and your license. Once you login to FFXIV Sonys network could go down completely and you get to continue playing because PSN isn't involved in playing FFXIV.

I already knew that. The issue are some of your reasons why it works for FF14 and you dont get sometimes from which perspective i am talking, which a post earlier from you clearly showed me. I talked about developers and you came with sth along the lines "i can use the ps4 broswer" (aka consumer perspective)

For example you said ps4 is an computer. No, it is not, because the ps4 is still a close system and publishers have to work with the plattform holder - in this case sony - together to get patches, games on the plattform or their own store (EA tried and failed, because sony denied them to get ea access on ps4) and ask Sony, if they can do cross play the way they want. You don't need to do any of this on computer. They can release as an example patches, when and how they want. Nobody tells them anything. there are no rules, except if they use another companys store for example. Then you came with, the ps4 can access the internet. Of course it can. Then with, we as consumers can use the browser. Of course we can, but the browser is from Sony and we are not allowed to do some things with it. We can't download wallpapers for example like we are used to on PC. Why? Because the ps4 is not an open system like your post suggest. Now on the topic of cross play....

I'm still not sure what point you are really arguing, it seems each time that you narrow your point further, either way, you clearly will not listen to reason. Long story short, Sony supports cross platform play both with and without PS PLUS,

Sony supports cross plattform play on a case to case basis. Some games have cross play and others aren't even if the developer came out and asked sony. Thats what you don't want to get for some reason. Instead you go on with your assumption about PSN and XBL without giving a source. Even when every, literaly every link i posted should tell you that, they have to reach out and get an agreement. They can't do what they want, because the ps4 is not an open system. And yes, even if the publisher has their own account system and servers. In the end the ps4 or xbox are still not their systems and they have to play by the rules the plattform owners has writen down on paper.

Microsoft only supports restricted cross play within XBL Gold membership. What more need be said?

So this is what all of this mistundestand comes to? You think, because you need an Gold membership every cross playable games has to be on microsoft servers? No, you are wrong if you really think this. Third party today use own servers on ps4 and xbox one alike and still are forced to implement in their games the respective sub model, because Sony and Microsoft want you to pay for mp this generation. No matter what. Simply an business decision. The only exception are sub based MMO and F2P on ps4. You said the ps+ cost would come down to the game using PSN or use their own server (and service) ike FF14 is. Again, no it comes down to FF14 beeing an monthly sub mmo game. Nothing else. You don't need to know anything about the console business as you seem to be (no offense), the examples are out there.

[ReplicaX]

I wouldn't even be against a private server at this point.

I am glad that SE's position is the opposite. XIV Subs should not be paying for it, period. The game is getting more and more cross-world implementations which helps the entire community. MS needs to accept the conditions required or admit it refuses to change policies for that model. SE should stand their ground as they want to keep their True Cross-platform model they have been running since 2002.

I already knew that.

Your point is moot outside the realm of XIV.

SE should never bend to the will of MS for the sake of its existing model. Hardware + Internet + XIV sub. Nothing more, as that's how the current model is for MAC, PC, PS3, and PS4.

I don't care what "today's console model is for MP" when XIV doesn't require a current console manufacturer's paid subscription to play the game. MS needs to change, not SE.

[era1Ne]

Your point is moot outside the realm of XIV.

SE should never bend to the will of MS for the sake of its existing model. Hardware + Internet + XIV sub. Nothing more, as that's how the current model is for MAC, PC, PS3, and PS4.

I don't care what "today's console model is for MP" when XIV doesn't require a current console manufacturer's paid subscription to play the game. MS needs to change, not SE.

I never said Square Enix should and as i said some time ago, Microsoft is to blame here imo. I just explained how the business works at the moment and why for example consoles aren't like PC today. Yes, the hardware is technically closer than ever and the consoles owner more open then ever (some more than others), but we are still not there yet in terms of the business side of things. Every plattform holder has still a lot of rules publishers have to agree to or they can port their game to the trashcan, because they wouldn't be allowed to sell it as an console game.

[Paladinleeds]

But again you're assuming that Xbox is more toxic than Ps4 and pc. I've played on Xbox since the original launch and know very well that there are players on the service that are idiots. Same goes for the 14 community, it has it shares of people who are toxic, you can see posts pop up every month about toxic players, whether it's too cry about something game related or to cry about SE making this game for low level pcs and ps3 support. Adding a new system of players to the game wouldn't make it more or less toxic than it already is, and by thinking they're all wholly toxic, you'd be doing nothing to build the communities up.

But then again, what are Xbox's chief exclusives? Halo, Sunset Overdrive, etc. Halo being the most famous of course (so much so aspects from Halo leaked into Windows, such as Cortana, and in Windows 10, Project Spartan which was then renamed to Microsoft Edge, though I still think calling the browser Spartan or something like that would have been better but I digress.) Compared to PS4's exclusives, Bloodbound, Persona 5, etc. Xbox is famous for shooter games as well like Call of Duty, and Xbox attracts the more toxic playerbase of the shooter communities. Yes, I am making assumptions but it's assumptions based around the sort of games the console is best known for (consider the PS4 is more famous for games other than shooters, usually story driven games), plus the type of player the games mainly draw in and it's not that far-fetched an assumption to make that Xbox is more toxic than PS4 (and possibly PC too). And while I don't have a PlayStation 4 myself, I have friends that do and I am constantly told how nice the PS4 community is so... again, my assumptions are based off my experiences and knowledge of the sort of genres of gamers the consoles tend to pull in. It's why I don't believe it is far-fetched to say Xbox community is more toxic than PlayStation community (and bear in mind some of my friends went from the Xbox community to the PlayStation community, and the toxicity of the Xbox community being one of the reasons why)

[Lexia]

It's been a long time, but I'm almost positive pc, ps2 and Xbox all played together on ffxi. Although Xbox was a late adapter to the game. So between then and now, I'm pretty sure it's all about the $$ from M$ and Xbox live.

Yea they all played together but there some significant time between them. Now if going to go by the JP launch dates then PC and PS2 version launched in 2002 while 360 didn't launch until 2006. If going by the NA launch then PC launched in 2003 followed by PS2 in 2004 with 360 still not launching until 2006.

[Maero]

People, why can you NOT understand that only reason xbox players do not have FFXIV is because MS.
It has nothing to do with Sony or SE not wanting them, seriously, read up on it....