Why no Xbox?

[Kosmos992k]

consoles are closed computer you are right, but they still need permission from Sony for everything.

No, they don't. You do not need Sony or PSN to browse online or use the browser. Please just stop, you're making yourself look foolish.

because ultimately the plattform owner says what is allowed and whats not. You can't just legaly create an PS4 game, app or access the PSN service without permission from Sony.

Accessing the Internet is utterly different to creating a signed executable that will run on a PS4, what are you trying to prove with such ridiculousness comparisons.

. On pc this is different and developers can do what they want with it. The sources are out there, but since you ignored the ones i posted already, i won't post others.

Good, your linked articles didn't help you at all, best to stop now.

As with every online game on ps there is a connection to PSN ID in FF14.

At most the launcher retrieves the current username aka PSN ID - from the PS4

You can't just "access the internet" as an third party on the consoles.

I, the owner of the console can go online without PSN to browse, so yes, I can. However, what you are not understanding is that the PS4 is open, if a developer creates a game that uses their own servers on the Net, PSN doesn't care, nor does Sony, and they don't require special permission to do this, it's allowed.

There are rules companies have to follow when they want to develop and release their product on a console.PC and Xbox cross play works aswell, as the developers said, but Xbox <-> PS not. If only the developer of the game said, why this doesn't work. oh wait they did You did read my older post in which i acknowledge that in my opinion ff14 is a different case and Microsoft is at fault here? The other comments were for the situation in rocket league and some other games.

You're not getting this are you?For games that operate within the walled gardens, the only way for cross play between PS and Xbox is to interconnect PSN and XBL to some degree, which requires contracts, agreements and software work to make happen. For a game, like FFXIV that does not operate within the walled gardens, nothing is required except for the game client to be able to talk to the game servers. That is also how Rocket League facilitated PS4 and PC cross platform play. Microsoft do not want that kind of cross play, they want to bring it within their walled garden so that they can control where their players go. Technically, Microsoft actively prevents Xbox from playing outside XBL. SOny does not actively prohibit playing outside PSN or PSPLus, they allow developers to decide how they want multiplayer to work, including reproving on of cross platform play - outside of PSN.

Seems to be microsoft in this case, because Yoshi talked some time ago about discussions with the xbox team. http://www.polygon.com/e3/2016/6/17/...rosoft-e3-2016
In my opinion the discussion is about the one regulations they got for cross play, which forces developers to offer an option to switch "cross play" off for xbox users. This means, if ff14 would be ported that way, xbox users could choose if they want to play only with xbox or with other plattforms like pc or ps4 in this case. I don't think this is a good idea for mmo.

Changed your tune now, but you just can't let go of the argument can you?

[era1Ne]

No, they don't. You do not need Sony or PSN to browse online or use the browser. Please just stop, you're making yourself look foolish.

Of course you as a consumer can use the browser provided by Sony and this without using your psn ID. This is different for games and for developers. Do you know why there is no third party browser for example? Because companys can't create what they want on console and can't access what they want and they certainly can't just make THEIR Software access the internet. Even the most basic stuff gets checked and tested by those console provider. And as many sources, some of them i posted, they have to ALLOW third party to use cross play.

At most the launcher retrieves the current username aka PSN ID - from the PS4

No the PSN ID is linked to your square account. You for example buy stormblood and because your PSN ID is linked, you don't have to activate or register the add on for yourself. All done on Sony/Square Enix end. Not possible, if the launcher would only get the information of your user name. Those account are linked.

I, the owner of the console can go online without PSN to browse, so yes, I can. However, what you are not understanding is that the PS4 is open, if a developer creates a game that uses their own servers on the Net, PSN doesn't care, nor does Sony, and they don't require special permission to do this, it's allowed

First i didn't talk about you as an consumer! I talked about developers. So please tell my why we didn't get EA Access then on console, if the ps4 would be as open as you said? Well EA told the world, Sony didn't want them to. not so open. Tell me why there is no voice chat programm from third party on console? No third party browser? And i know they can use their own servers for the games, but this has to be allowed and you can't let the software access everything. For example, games except mmo and f2p are forced behind the the ps+ paywall and developers can't just "access the internet" how they want or develop an multiplayer without the restriction in place. Everything is controlled by sony in they end. Of course they allow some stuff, but this still doesn't change the fact, that the ps4 isn't as open as you think it is. Because in the end Sony could just change everything they want and then the publisher and consumers alike have to deal with it.

And even as consumer there are limits. You can't use the browser to download stuff for example or you can't install software not verified by sony on ps4. And you can't play online mutliplayer in most cases without paying for ps+. You can't just "acess the internet" with its endless possibilities and get around this restriction. You can do what Sony or any other plattform holder allows you too. Simple as that.

Technically, Microsoft actively prevents Xbox from playing outside XBL. SOny does not actively prohibit playing outside PSN or PSPLus, they allow developers to decide how they want multiplayer to work, including reproving on of cross platform play - outside of PSN.

Some companys use their own server on Xbox and not Xbox Live. How do you explain that stuff and you still haven't provided an source for anything you said. But i will just leave it there, i got enough. You seem to know your stuff about interaction between games and servers, but you don't seem to know a lot how this stuffs works on console and what rules are in place.

Changed your tune now, but you just can't let go of the argument can you?

I literally posted in my last post, that i said some time ago that this is microsoft fault imo. I recommend you reading my post instead of taking them apart without beeing 100%sure what i wrote.

Edit: You will ignore this link as the others, but here is proof the accounts are linked https://support.na.square-enix.com/c...82&la=1&daxx=3