Why no Xbox?

[ReplicaX]

The problem is with Sony hands now, I think they don't want cross-play with Xbox because they can lose some console exclusivity like FFXIV.

Sorry, but no. It has been stated countless times in interviews with YoshiP that its MS not meeting SE requirements.

"Microsoft actually approached the Final Fantasy 14 team about the cross-platform opportunity," Yoshida told Polygon. "When our team reviewed the regulations that are associated with that, we realized that Microsoft may not have the experience or understanding of running an MMORPG as an online game genre just yet. The Final Fantasy 14 team has fed back to Microsoft that there are certain elements of its regulations that we would have to consider waived. We're waiting on Microsoft's response for that, but we are having discussions."

-YoshiP June 2016

One of the biggest roadblocks is having XBL on equal grounds with PSN. No paid platform membership aka PS+ isn't required. SE wants Gold membership waived.

[jameseoakes]

Xbox already allow cross plataform play:

https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/14/xb...ayer-with-ps4/
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/we.../1100-6438654/

The problem is with Sony hands now, I think they don't want cross-play with Xbox because they can lose some console exclusivity like FFXIV.

Those aren't quite relevant here as they seem to be referring to games which need to use Microsoft's or Sony's networks to run the games, which 14 doesn't (it only needs the PSN to check your game is valid or whatever). Sony seems understandably reluctant to allow there network to be accessible to another network.

As to 14 there seems to have been 2 big issues, one was the Xbox needing a gold membership as well to be able to play which SE does not consider acceptable.

Also MS seems to have relented on competently separate server thing but they do seem to have a policy that MS Live (or whatever it is called) could have the choice to only play with MS live players (someone linked to it in another thread).

Exactly, and not only that but its a portion of money M$ is making that wouldn't go into SE's coffers either.

Also people could have an active SE account but be unable to play as they don't have a current gold account.

[dragorian]

Xbox already allow cross plataform play:

https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/14/xb...ayer-with-ps4/
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/we.../1100-6438654/

The problem is with Sony hands now, I think they don't want cross-play with Xbox because they can lose some console exclusivity like FFXIV.

This is the case sadly and what I've been reading Microsoft wants too but sony doses not want to loose money to them so it may or not happen in the future.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This is the case sadly and what I've been reading Microsoft wants too but sony doses not want to loose money to them so it may or not happen in the future.

This instance has nothing to do with Sony and everything to do with Microsoft. Yoshi-P has said repeatedly that Microsoft is unwilling to compromise with SE to meet Yoshi-P's wants of a non-divided playerbase.

[Stitches1974]

This is the case sadly and what I've been reading Microsoft wants too but sony doses not want to loose money to them so it may or not happen in the future.

That is not the case and there are multiple posts explaining why it's not. Shall I try to dig up the video of Yoshi and his translator saying MS, the balls in your court? ( not the exact words, but you get my meaning )

EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOMb2Kkf7O8


And this: "and Xbox Live players will always have the option of choosing to play only with other Xbox Live players."

http://news.xbox.com/2016/03/14/lett...DVQiMrimzHI.99

Previous thread on the topic if anyone wants a read: Link

[Kosmos992k]

This is the case sadly and what I've been reading Microsoft wants too but sony doses not want to loose money to them so it may or not happen in the future.

Well, that's a self evident falsehood on the part of Microsoft. PS4 was playing Rocket league with PC players long before Microsoft thought up their latest smoke and mirrors scheme to try to make themselves look like some kind of savior or champion of gamers interests...

Let's look at the evidence shall we?

PS2 could play FFXI (and a couple of other games IIRC) cross platform - even with Xbox players in the days before Microsoft cut access for Xbox outside of XBL that is. The 'champion' of open, cross platform play imposed a restriction on their own customers designed to milk tem for more money. Sony was good with cross platform play in the PS2 days - during the infancy of online gaming.

PS3 could play FFXIV (I believe that were a small number of other games with cross platform ability too) with PC and MAC players - seems like cross platform play was A-OK for Sony then. Could Xbox One? Nope.

PS4 can play many games with PC and MAC players, FFXIV, Rocket league ad others I am certain. Could Xbox One? Nope until MS apparently saw the light...

Except Microsoft embraced openness and cross platform play in such a way that it would require Sony to open PSN to external networks. Given that PSN itself was completely breached - rather famously - a few years back, and the more recent hacking of Sony Pictures, Sony is understandably reluctant to open their network to anything. However, when asked about it, Sony points out that they already support cross platform play with multiple platforms and point out that developers are more than welcome to do it if they wish.

So, if MS is so interested in cross platform play with PS4, why do they impose requirements to interconnect Xbox Live with PSN to make it happen, when clearly that is not required? Couldn't Microsoft have similarly said that developers were welcome to implement cross platform play if hey want? Although had they done that it would mean that Xbox would be able to play online without Xbox Live, which Microsoft will not allow, after all, it would mean Xbox players online in MMO games without paying anything to Microsoft, and that we just cannot allow...

Basically, this is more of the same Embrace, extend, extinguish strategy that Microsoft is well known for in the business world.

They 'Embrace' openness very publicly, saying they see the light and Xbox players should be able to play with everyone...
They extend that cross platform play 'offer' but include a poison pill that they know Sony cannot accept = open PSN to XBL, or no dice.
The extinguish phase comes when people who don't look past the headlines take it at face value that Sony is obstructing something that they have in fact supported since PS2.

Don't fall for the Microsoft lie. If Microsoft wanted Xbox players in Eorzea, they could have been here since day one of ARR. All MS needed to do was allow Xbox players to access game service providers outside of Xbox Live without mandating XBL Gold membership. There is no technical need for integration with PSN to make that happen, quite the opposite. In fact, it requires no real software implementation at all, other than REMOVING an artificial RESTRICTION that Microsoft themselves put in place. Far from looking out for gamer's interests, Microsoft actively works against gamer's interests by finding ways to charge more for less.

[ShadowHunterrX]

This is the case sadly and what I've been reading Microsoft wants too but sony doses not want to loose money to them so it may or not happen in the future.

Why do people fall so easy for PR talk. You know that most of Microsoft cross platform talk is only Xbox and Windows 10 store ? Rocket leauge is 1 of the only 2 games who has steam/Xbox stuff. ONLY 2.

Dont forget DragonQuest peeps. Wii u , 3DS , Switch , PC and PS4.

[ReplicaX]

Why do people fall so easy for PR talk.

Laziness, shred of hope, & cannot accept truth.

- MS failed the JP 360 Market due to their own poor and well documented research & marketing tactics.
- Developers lost millions translating Titles for JP360 or released JP360 games only and lost money due to poor sales from a small install base.
- Many MMO companies gave up trying to bring their titles to their platform due to XBL restrictions.
- Final Fantasy XI was an extremely rare exception to try and boost the first & greatest Cross-Platform MMO in the JP & World Markets on the 360.
- Sony has a strong reputation of Cross-platform gaming since 2002 and with multiple genres & working with various platforms.
- Microsoft, has a strong reputation across multiple genres not to allow or cooperate with other cross-platforms or developers with mods/user generated content.
- XBOne + Win10 is not true cross-platforming, its cross-inter-company platforming.

SE wants control of its own assets, vision & an equal playing field for all platforms. The platform hardware + Internet Access + Subscription. Not additional fees from the hardware Company.

Microsoft is the only one to blame here, period.

[Vulcwen]

I thought Microsoft demanded XBox-only servers to exist before they'd let FF14 on their platform (in addition to the cross-platform worlds), and SE doesn't agree with that.

[Riardon]

Because M$ want a separate server in their own network without any cross server ability so they can milk out the Xbox users.