Are tanks a scapegoat for performance issues?

[Dreggit]

Many places in the forums, in the game, on reddit and the net seem to blame tanks for many things. But is it because it's really a tank issue or is it easy to blame the tank?

Granted not everyone tanks well and tanking is not a job for everyone but it is no secret that the tanking community is one of the smallest in the game but also likely the smallest when looking at combat roles.

One of the faults noted in another thread notes that tanks are expected to know the content they que for even if it's their first run. Sometimes they are asked to pull more than they're comfortable with and blamed if they die because they're undergeared. There's many possible reasons but that's not what they threads about.

Do you think tanks are the goto to blame for wipes? Why is that?

This discussion was sparked by a member of my FC on why it was recommended that they not learn tanking if they could not take player discourse.

[bswpayton]

Many places in the forums, in the game, on reddit and the net seem to blame tanks for many things. But is it because it's really a tank issue or is it easy to blame the tank?

Id say its shared blame between tank and healer just the nature of the game ha ,its a reason why 55 percent of players play dps

[Ilan]

Id say its shared blame between tank and healer just the nature of the game ha ,its a reason why 55 percent of players play dps

It has to be blamed on DPS also, if they deal damage like a wet noodle and stuff just doesn't die because tanks and healer run out of cd's/mana after a while. Everyone in the group is responsible, bad tanks and healers are just harder to carry.

[bswpayton]

It has to be blamed on DPS also, if they deal damage like a wet noodle and stuff just doesn't die because tanks and healer run out of cd's/mana after a while. Everyone in the group is responsible, bad tanks and healers are just harder to carry.

Oh trust me I know when dps are screwing up hence zurvan extreme shouldnt even see way cannon in second phase but so far every group Ive been in has seen it, I at the point now where I think lots of dps just do their combos

[Jim_Berry]

Oh trust me I know when dps are screwing up hence zurvan extreme shouldnt even see way cannon in second phase but so far every group Ive been in has seen it, I at the point now where I think lots of dps just do their combos

That's not entirely a DPS screw up; it's the community that makes it mandatory to skip phases. You can see Soar in the beginning, you can see extra wave cannons. If the boss dies, he dies.

I personally feel as though if people want certain things done, then why do they put up PF groups? Why not just recruit people that YOU know who are capable of pushing through phases? Why set it up for a PUG and the complain about seeing two Demon's Claw? I understand it's a farm, but farms are getting the kill/item and do it again. People mistake "farm" for "grind".

[dragonseth07]

That's not entirely a DPS screw up; it's the community that makes it mandatory to skip phases. You can see Soar in the beginning, you can see extra wave cannons. If the boss dies, he dies.

I personally feel as though if people want certain things done, then why do they put up PF groups? Why not just recruit people that YOU know who are capable of pushing through phases? Why set it up for a PUG and the complain about seeing two Demon's Claw? I understand it's a farm, but farms are getting the kill/item and do it again. People mistake "farm" for "grind".

If the community wants a high standard for DPS, that's a good thing. Less leeches getting carried.

PF is the tool for recruiting for a specific purpose like that. So... That's why. Also, farm parties aren't just about killing it. They're about doing it as fast as possible so that you can get more kills done in less time. Farming should be efficient. People that join farms and underperform are the worst.

[Ilan]

Oh trust me I know when dps are screwing up hence zurvan extreme shouldnt even see way cannon in second phase but so far every group Ive been in has seen it, I at the point now where I think lots of dps just do their combos

All fights would be way better if you couldn't skip anything. When i remember these "skip soar or disband" partys i'm still facepalming because most of the people who opened the partys are people who don't do anything to skip it because they hit like a wet noodle (counts for ANY class) and even mess up a simple mechanic like soar.

Point is that most of the people in this community are to lazy to improve in any way, they want plain easy stuff where they just have to press 1,2,3. The sad part is that SE goes their way instead of telling them to git gud.

[Risvertasashi]

Many places in the forums, in the game, on reddit and the net seem to blame tanks for many things. But is it because it's really a tank issue or is it easy to blame the tank.

Just as the person above said... same deal with healers. Sometimes there's genuinely an issue with tanking/heals, fairly often they can end up a scapegoat.

[Launched]

No, lots of tanks badly underperform.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Many places in the forums, in the game, on reddit and the net seem to blame tanks for many things. But is it because it's really a tank issue or is it easy to blame the tank?

Granted not everyone tanks well and tanking is not a job for everyone but it is no secret that the tanking community is one of the smallest in the game but also likely the smallest when looking at combat roles.

One of the faults noted in another thread notes that tanks are expected to know the content they que for even if it's their first run. Sometimes they are asked to pull more than they're comfortable with and blamed if they die because they're undergeared. There's many possible reasons but that's not what they threads about.

Do you think tanks are the goto to blame for wipes? Why is that?

This discussion was sparked by a member of my FC on why it was recommended that they not learn tanking if they could not take player discourse.

I think it is because most new tanks/tanks don't have a middle ground. They either pull two or 3 mobs or a massive pack pull. If the party wipes they say ok I will pull small, then they grab 3/4 mobs at a time lol