Why are extra characters still $3?

[Aenarion]

Honestly I think $3 is fine for additional characters...if you need more than 1 additional character as a 'mule' type, well you might need to consider being in an episode of FFXIV hoarders

Pfft, an episode? there's a whole season of FFXIV hoarders dedicated to me!

also, it's not just $3 for an additional mule, at minimum you'll require to have a separate account, which means it's another $9.99 per month if you want to have a mule.

Why another account you say? well, unless you have figured out a way to transfer items between different characters on the same account.... :P

and no, having a friend or ls member serving as a intermediary doesn't count, not only is it a huge inconvenience to both you and your friend by doubling the amount of trading needed to be done (who may reconsider being your friend after your 48th request for transferring stacks and stacks and stacks and stacks of items..), it is also unreliable at best, as you may not always find people to serve as a virtual deposit box when you need one.

[Haru]

Pfft, an episode? there's a whole season of FFXIV hoarders dedicated to me!

also, it's not just $3 for an additional mule, at minimum you'll require to have a separate account, which means it's another $9.99 per month if you want to have a mule.

Why another account you say? well, unless you have figured out a way to transfer items between different characters on the same account.... :P

and no, having a friend or ls member serving as a intermediary doesn't count, not only is it a huge inconvenience to both you and your friend by doubling the amount of trading needed to be done (who may reconsider being your friend after your 48th request for transferring stacks and stacks and stacks and stacks of items..), it is also unreliable at best, as you may not always find people to serve as a virtual deposit box when you need one.

Agreed and consider this. At this day the economy is already bad. Tomorrow it will be worse. After billing it will be non existant. Try looking for those uncommon materials to make this item or to make that extra skillup.

Simple fact you wont find it.
All you will see in the markets is the basic ores and logs, apart from some even more pricier equipment.

I can see starting equipment being charged at 200-500k for level 20-30 gears, why simply because all the "Hoarders" deleted their mules and you no longer can buy it all at wards. Also I wont be able to supply the most random stuff to LS members anymore because I'll have a strict policy if it isnt worth anything it goes back on the ground.

EDIT: also try running different battle classes and crafting at same time.
Inevntory Space Used:
10-30 (Weapons with different materia, maybe even up this to 20-40 with dark moogle)
30-50 (Armour this is for a casic set of armour, with only one materia combination)
10-20 (Crafting tools)
10-20 (Crafting Armour)
10 (One single set of materials) x number of recipes you would like to make
20-30 (Event related items) - Sure you can dump these if you want
20-30 (clear inventory space) so you can make some items

Whats the total so far.. 200.. Well guess what your out of luck. Thats all your inventory space used.
Now cough up that extra $3 per month + Basic Service Charge (Until you can relaiably send items to other characters) for the character or you cannot indulge in any extra crafts than one.
Simply put there is not enough space to say you can do anything without extra.

This thread was never about saying I'm not prepared or willing to pay extra for the characters or retainers.. But $3 IS TOO MUCH!

Lets look at the Post 1.20 pricing when no further discounts are applied I'd be looking at $12.99x2 $3x2 ($32 per month) just for 2 accounts with 2 characters each to have enough.


SUPER EDIT: People keep using the argument of FFXI people had mules.. YES they did because only 1 character can have a single craft above the 60 level cap. This meant if you wanted all crafts you needed 8 characters..

What happens when FFXIV introduces the same restrictions on high end crafting. You will be forced to purchase 8 characters at $3 for a grand total of $37 per month. And this would be just to maintain your crafts. Let's see all you whiners out there say $3 isn't much to pay then.

And let's face it this will and already has progressed exactly the same as FFXI, they will slowly raise the level cap, adjust skill levels and set caps for jobs.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Their dropping retainers (and giving us houses for storage) and the MW is why and gonna go with a full-fledged AH! /speculation

[AmyRae]

When it comes to extra characters, there are those that, say, prefer to spend time in RP than grinding out endgame gear. Having extra characters to play different roles would be more valuable to such as those, but of course, $3 per month per character is pretty dissuasive.

It's too bad there couldn't be a multiple character plan that charged the same, but say, used less inventory space as a trade-off.

[Renshi]

I don't see the problem, it's a Coca-cola in a restaurant. Don't tell me you're that stingy?

[Aenarion]

I don't see the problem, it's a Coca-cola in a restaurant. Don't tell me you're that stingy?

if you need the extra character as a mule, then it's at least $10 more per month, not $3.

also, there's also something called perceived value, just because it may be of the same price as an overpriced drink at a restaurant, doesn't mean that people will be willing to pay it if the perceived value is less than that.

would you pay $3 for a piece of post-it notes?

[Asiaine]

If a person feels that they need an extra character/account to serve as a mule to store goods beyond:
What they can carry on themselves
What they can carry in retainers
What they can store in their house (pending I expect..)
What they can store in their mailboxes (also pending I expect...)

Then perhaps they are playing the game in a manner that the developers did not intend? If that is the case, then I would understand the developers from trying to limit this form of gameplay if they feel it does not lead to a good overall experience.

I know, if I had easy infinite storage, I may never sell anything ever and hoard everything I ever got. This could have undesirable effects for the rest of the game/economy/interaction. (I am less likely to sell. Also, less likely to buy 'that newbie gear I sold 6 months ago to make space').

I have not played the game enough to say for certain, but is it really difficult to play the game in a reasonable manner given the amount of storage that SE is willing to give/sell us without the need to have an additional account?

[Aenarion]

If a person feels that they need an extra character/account to serve as a mule to store goods beyond:
What they can carry on themselves
What they can carry in retainers
What they can store in their house (pending I expect..)
What they can store in their mailboxes (also pending I expect...)

Then perhaps they are playing the game in a manner that the developers did not intend? If that is the case, then I would understand the developers from trying to limit this form of gameplay if they feel it does not lead to a good overall experience.

I know, if I had easy infinite storage, I may never sell anything ever and hoard everything I ever got. This could have undesirable effects for the rest of the game/economy/interaction. (I am less likely to sell. Also, less likely to buy 'that newbie gear I sold 6 months ago to make space').

I have not played the game enough to say for certain, but is it really difficult to play the game in a reasonable manner given the amount of storage that SE is willing to give/sell us without the need to have an additional account?

since the latter two doesn't exist...

moreover, you can't really pull a dev. intent card here (not that that's ever a good card to pull), as the armoury system inherently encourages people to train multiple classes, and it is due to the training of multiple classes that people starts to run into inventory issues.

Or are you saying that once someone ranked, say, conjurer to 50, they should sell/trash all the gears they've obtained for conj since they're planning on ranking marauder next? or that the blacksmith should npc/firesale all his materials since he's going for weaver next?

as for whether it's that difficult to play the game with a total of 530 inventory slots (including bazaar space on character and retainer), yes, it is quite difficult, especially when you've ranked up all the classes and plan on continue to utilize all the classes without mothballing them.

and this can only get worse as more unique/job specific items are introduced into the game.

[Felis]

since the latter two doesn't exist...

moreover, you can't really pull a dev. intent card here (not that that's ever a good card to pull), as the armoury system inherently encourages people to train multiple classes, and it is due to the training of multiple classes that people starts to run into inventory issues.

Or are you saying that once someone ranked, say, conjurer to 50, they should sell/trash all the gears they've obtained for conj since they're planning on ranking marauder next? or that the blacksmith should npc/firesale all his materials since he's going for weaver next?

as for whether it's that difficult to play the game with a total of 530 inventory slots (including bazaar space on character and retainer), yes, it is quite difficult, especially when you've ranked up all the classes and plan on continue to utilize all the classes without mothballing them.

and this can only get worse as more unique/job specific items are introduced into the game.

They are working on that with the planned mannequin feature

[OMEGA_HACK]

Why yes I would pay 3 dollars instead of 4...or where you meaning 1 single post it note tab? :P