Let's do a test...(viera related)

[Nestama]

Actually you could say that Au Ra is pay locked since you need the expansion to get it. Tho I doubt many ppl would pay just for Au Ra honestly, actually unsure if anyone would ever pay just for Roegadyns as a race lol.

You can, but you really can't. Sure, you could buy the expansion just for the Au Ra, but with that purchase, you're also going to unlock new content once you reach the end of 2.55.
If the muscle/bara race was locked behind a paywall (not expansion wall), I probably wouldn't even consider giving FFXIV a chance. No other race looks as good as a Roegadyn dressed for the leatherman/bear (despite the lack of body hair) bar scene.

[Ririta]

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Balmung

[SenorPatty]

Its proof of conviction and purpose to 'put one's money where their mouth is.'

People are already putting their money on it: their sub. At least, that's what one side of the fence sees it. The other side is just desperate enough to put an extra price tag on it.

On another note, requesting something via payment is not the end all to be all incentive for devs. They have to consider projected expenses for creating something like vieras vs projected income from people who are going spend money ( remember also that ultimately, the pricing will be in their hands) on it. If their risk assessment estimates that its not going profit, then it's not going to happen.

[Kaethra]

People are already putting their money on it: their sub.

I pay a sub too. And on top of that, willing to pay to play a race I'd like to play. I've been what's called a 'whale' in games with such MT's.

[Lambdafish]

I pay a sub too. And on top of that, willing to pay to play a race I'd like to play. I've been what's called a 'whale' in games with such MT's.

Whales are amazing in F2P games, but in a sub game or paid game its an awful thing because it enables publishers to take advantage. This isn't even a FF issue, but this image should explain why being a whale in a P2P game is a detriment for everyone.



XIV is alright at the moment, but as soon as you start suggesting making things like races paid, then you start removing core aspects of the game. I get your reasons for asking, but it is a dangerous line of thinking.

[Kaethra]

XIV is alright at the moment, but as soon as you start suggesting making things like races paid, then you start removing core aspects of the game. I get your reasons for asking, but it is a dangerous line of thinking.

I disagree.

I've only suggested something with aesthetic value. I won't support anything beyond that. But paid aesthetic items are worth it to me. It ensures a level of exclusivity. Remember in 2.0 when we got our magitek reaper? Everyone had them. Cool mount. But so common it lost its appeal. One issue with half-elezen (the race I would buy), is it would likely be played more than elezen if it were free. Lets be honest, elezen aren't played much (this could be hurting viera too just so everyone knows). A race that looks like Hilda.. a popular character and good looking one at that, would be played probably nearly as much as Hyur.

That hurts the racial diversity in the game. However, putting it behind a price tag would allow them to get some reward for the effort without changing the entire racial dynamic. You wouldn't see as a large exodus from other races.

[Lambdafish]

I disagree.

I've only suggested something with aesthetic value. I won't support anything beyond that. But paid aesthetic items are worth it to me. It ensures a level of exclusivity. Remember in 2.0 when we got our magitek reaper? Everyone had them. Cool mount. But so common it lost its appeal. One issue with half-elezen (the race I would buy), is it would likely be played more than elezen if it were free. Lets be honest, elezen aren't played much (this could be hurting viera too just so everyone knows). A race that looks like Hilda.. a popular character and good looking one at that, would be played probably nearly as much as Hyur.

That hurts the racial diversity in the game. However, putting it behind a price tag would allow them to get some reward for the effort without changing the entire racial dynamic. You wouldn't see as a large exodus from other races.

Are you actually serious? I can't tell if this is a joke... Races are a core selling point of playing the game, I already pay through buying expansions and paying a subscription. Since when was having a race be common an issue? especially with customisation, and why is putting it behind a pay wall in any way respectful to those who pay for a subscription?

I understand that you are a whale, but this is a P2P game, and the content delivered needs to justify the subscription cost. If we start putting races on mogstation, where does it end?

If we are going to say its just aesthetic, I have an idea: how about we remove glamour prisms from the game and put them on the cash shop, they can be cheap and bought in bulk, but you need to pay in order to glamour. It's only something with aesthetic value.

[Darker_Midnight]

I'd sit in town and see how many players actually bought the Vieras. Happy with my original choice and sticking with it!

[Nestama]

Hmmm. Don't most items on the Mogstation (excluding the event items) disregard the lore of FFXIV in some way? I feel making Viera a Mogstation race would make it impossible for them to have any kind of lore in FFXIV's world (heck, I can already imagine the description for them making reference to FFXII or Tactics Advance: "Play as the mysterious Viera race from FFXII/FFTA"). While I'm still against the addition of Viera overall, it's better to make them a part of the games world and potentially available as an expansion bonus rather than plop them into the world with no lore or anything to make them interesting/appealing outside of 'appeared in this other game.'

[matteoxyz]

If it was cute or sexy enough I would, yeah. It would have to be quite unique from other races. The fact that playing completely zoomed out, as is practicle. If it had a very unique way of moving and emoting etc that would be a big draw. Like a demon class that walked on all fours upside down like the girl from the exorcist. Or maybe views could hop along like a rabbit!