Wintrading Solo Q Feast

[Yorihisa]

Hello fellow grievers and community who doesn't care.

Yes another useless post about PVP and yes alot f you don't care because you don't play it. But for the small community who has been enjoying PVP for a long time they are being affected by a disease called Wintrading.

So what is Wintrading you ask? Simple, loosing on purpose so your friend wins and gets ranked in Feast.

But how do you Wntrade you ask? SImple, just qeue healers and you will know for sure you won't be in same Team and faster/higher possibilty to be against each other.


Lately there are some notable amount of weird happenings. There is a certain healer which shall not be named, let's name him Healer A, who was weirdly always AFK during Feast Match. It could be ofcourse a DC or a real life matter. But every match? Now let's observe some more closely.

Healer A suddenly starts playing. Not terrible player but normal. And suddenly you win, so you Qeue again. Then you have Healer A again in your group. But now he is again AFK in the match.
After some observations by the PVP community on Discord we noticed he would only AFK during the match when a certain Healer was in the Party. We will call him Healer B.
After a whole day we came to the conclusion, that Healer A would only afk in matches against Healer B.

TD:LR Healer A is Afking, so Healer B can get a win and Rank fast through Season 4 Rankings.

The ToS states:

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

So why doesn't Square Enix do anything, it's clearly against their own User Agreement.


This is a commonly known problem, after every match players are sending reports to the GM's, but always end up getting a generic message. ' We are sorry for your grief and we are looking into it'.
But nothing happends, they are still playing, still trading.



I would hope SQ will start taking this seriously.

[Kai_Lee]

Unfortunately it happens, luckily it's still very early in the season

[Araxes]

I think i encountered this healer a few times now. I offered a suggestion how to maybe lower that kind of problem a bit but only a few people seemed interested in solving this problem. I wonder why.

[Culfinrandir]

There's a lot of cheating goes on in PVP but it seems to be so ingrained that if you speak out against it you are likely to be the one who is vilified! That's why quite a lot of people aren't bothering with ranked Feast, it's just not a fair game much of the time.

[Zojha]

There's a lot of cheating goes on in PVP but it seems to be so ingrained that if you speak out against it you are likely to be the one who is vilified!

Cheating has been a PvP tradition in FFXIV since Triple Triad tournaments. Same with Lord of Verminion tournaments. Well, it was part of early DoW/DoM PvP too.

Yoshi-P once said something on the matter...
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/0...naoki-yoshida/

Nova Crystallis: How do you feel in regards to players win-trading in Duty Finder PvP?

Yoshida: If you see someone abusing this, feel free to report it. Yes it’s a concern that people are abusing the system, but we have to think why are people doing this? There are some people that really want to do PvP but every time they get in, their gear is not good enough to compete with their opponents, so the only way to get that gear is by winning. It creates this loop of wanting to play, but being unable to play and by using that method players can get up there.

We realize this is a problem, so in 2.3 we are adding new types of actions and things that ignore Morale so that these players have a better chance of getting up to that same level as the higher players. If this doesn’t work, we may have to look at ways of controlling this type of mini-abuse – we want to see what happens in 2.3 and go from there. Rather than banning them for this action, it’s better for us to find a method so players won’t do this, and everyone can have fun. That’s our job.

Now that's an oldie, huh? That one was from the morale days. In 2.3, they then added item level sync and cheating complaints plummeted - Riiight up until they introduced ranked.

I'm just waiting for them to follow that philosophy again. They can start with asking themselves what causes people to be so hostile in the Feast, do something about it and turn off the stupid chat ban. They'll most likely catch at least half the reason people cheat in the crossfire. Alas, I fear E-Sports ambitions are in the way.

[kensatsu]

I ask myself why players is wintrading?
To get the rewards with less effort...
I ask myself why players is hostile in a competition game ?
because loose mean loose of points and less chance to get the reward or be top 100.
it's easy to understand why players is doing this.
It's a competition so do we have to abolish a competition to make
players happy or punish the abuse ?
Because you can't fight players cheating in a competition, it's not the same with the pvp gear op problem it was easy to resolve this.
For any competition, breaking the rules should be punished, disqualified. There is not magical solution.

also i don't want to say cheating in the feast is the same as cheating in triple triade or lord of verminion because feast is seasonal, all the players trying to get in top10 or top 100 have will certainly play a lot of matches and make effort to get in top100. Let players cheating here ruin the effort of players playing for all the season.

[CrimsonThunder]

There's a lot of cheating goes on in PVP but it seems to be so ingrained that if you speak out against it you are likely to be the one who is vilified! That's why quite a lot of people aren't bothering with ranked Feast, it's just not a fair game much of the time.

Even without cheaters it's rarely a fair game due to the broken ass match making. A Gold+ healer vs an unranked, inexperienced healer is hardly a fair game.

[Mature]

There's a Drg that likes running towards enemy and feeds over and over again....

Healers got it easy with their Q's. I usually wait for about 10-23 mins for Q to pop in rank match but if i Q as a healer it pops in less than a minute... No more than 3 mins. The amount of games i can run as a healer gives me a higher chance to get a win. Just look at the top of the list.

They need to make Q instant for all not just for healers cause even for tanks it takes longer.

[Korihu]

They need to make Q instant for all not just for healers cause even for tanks it takes longer.

...How do you think queues work? They can't just "make it instant". Literally queues take longer because there are far less healers queueing than there are other roles. You can't "make Q instant" without like, letting you enter the match with less than 4 people.

[Kai_Lee]

Do 3x3, tank and 2 dps vs tank and 2 dps, it will be funny as hell but the frustration level will raise to new heights