SMN Rotation/priority question for endgame raids/content

[Silverquick]

Well for me I notice the heavy mechanics phase usually starts right after the DWT... or during it,

Which is why I listed it as potentially under the DWT... but not necessarily.

I don't usually use it as an opener, there I go with the manual cast in the beginning. And use the Tri Disaster later when re-applying them. Because the re-applying phase is usually taking place during the heavy mechanics.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

And then you wonder why...

I say you nit pick me needlessly....

/soothe

It honestly just sounds like friendly advice to me. I never used to do my opener the way I do now. Used to always open with raging strikes, apply DoTs manually, then contagion and then go into Trance opener. I changed it after one of my raiding buddies pointed out the benefits of saving those until after you start Dreadwyrm. \o/ I've noticed a huge difference in DPS output ever since.

[Neela]

thx serious, I never meant to be picky :3

and yeah true – there are indeed fights where you might adjust your opener or prios to the mechanic (like Niddhog ex) but for most of the end content there is time to punch your buffed opener at the beginning at least once before deeper mechanics strike in

[Silverquick]

Yeah did lose that fight the first time because I didn't know about the DPS check,

And there's a few others. So I've learned to get to know when to do it and when not to.

[Iromi]

With big pulls or big group of adds , I use trance and spam blizzard 2, after tri disaster, bane and 2 painflares... Their hp just melts lol

[SeriousxSarcasm]

With big pulls or big group of adds , I use trance and spam blizzard 2, after tri disaster, bane and 2 painflares... Their hp just melts lol

.... Bliz II ..... instead of Ruin III......................................................

I have no words.

Edit: give me a sec, I am going to link you the Summoner guide. They've spent forever on it and it's pretty much the go-to reference place at this point.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/231828-Connecting-the-DoTs-A-Summoner-Guide

[Silverquick]

.... Bliz II ..... instead of Ruin III......................................................

I have no words.

Edit: give me a sec, I am going to link you the Summoner guide. They've spent years on it and it's pretty much the go-to reference place at this point.

Honestly Iromi does have a point depending on how many mobs in a large pull...

You just might be doing more DPS than with a Ruin 3. I've considered it and done it myself. If your Ruin 3 is only doing 2K damage and single target, a Bliz 2 on 6-10 mobs is going to be doing 1.8 to 3k on large packs of mobs. So you'll end up doing more damage overall.

Me personally I will just do Deathflare early and then use Ruin 3 on the remaining mobs while the DoTs tick.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Oookay, done with this convo. My brain hurts trying to figure out where those numbers came from. And Deathflaring early... are you trying to give me hives? XD Please, everyone just check out the guide, and don't bring your own experience into it, just look at the facts it offers. I myself am gonna take another peek because I know they try to update it with relevant info each patch.

[Silverquick]

Oookay, done with this convo. My brain hurts trying to figure out where those numbers came from. And Deathflaring early... are you trying to give me hives? XD Please, everyone just check out the guide, and don't bring your own experience into it, just look at the facts it offers. I myself am gonna take another peek because I know they try to update it with relevant info each patch.

Oh... you want REAL numbers... ok cool...

At ilvl210,
I did 2,200 per shot with Ruin III... that's single target... Bliz 2 was doing about 300- 600 damage per target in DWT... on 6-10 targets its doing low end 1800 to 3000 total...

SO I can either do 2.2k damage... or 3k-6k+ per hit with Bliz 2 spam...

Normally this is not needed if the other DPS in group knows how to find the AoE button, because if he can do ANY AoE at all... just your Painflares, Bane DoTs, and Deathflare alone will drop over half the mobs before you can get in and spam it.

I generally only break out the Bliz 2 method when the other DPS doesn't know how to find the AoE button... or I've been level synced to 50.

[Vulcwen]

On most aoe packs, MP is never something you'd run out of, so not taking advantage of the MP reduction on Ruin 3 isn't a loss.
Then on basic potency (between brackets, includes DWT buff): Blizzard 2 = 50 (55) potency per target, Ruin 3 is 200 (220) potency, this means B2 is a better choice in terms of raw potency at 5 targets or more, and equal at 4.

Early deathflare is a thing as well, you want the deathflare to actually hit when most of those mobs are still alive. If 1 mob dies before you use it, your deathflare does 440 less potency (always buffed by DWT after all). Using Ruin 3/blizzard 2 inside DWT instead of outside, doesn't weigh up against that potency loss.