Weapon(s) Lore in XIV (SPOILER)

[Lambdafish]

I am aware of the difference between Omega and Omega Weapon; however, to my knowledge there is no instance of Omega and Omega Weapon making an appearance in the same title. Since Omega has already appeared, the likelihood of Omega Weapon also appearing is rather low.

Not to be prideful, but I... really don't need the lecture.

Honestly, this isn't even the reason. Omega and Omega weapon could totally appear in the same game (with omega weapon being renamed to Atma Weapon), the problem is that the current lore has no place for Omega weapon as the place that "Atma weapon" would fill has been taken by proto-ultima. OW would either need to be the OG Ultima, or the allagans most powerful creation, both of which are taken

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Also got Proto-Omega too

[LineageRazor]

I made the same mistake but Omega Weapon and Omega are actually two different creatures.

I've read these links, and I'm still not convinced. Until both Omega and Omega Weapon appear in the SAME GAME, as far as I'm concerned Omega is just "this installment's take on Omega Weapon", and vice versa. The fact that several have ties to the rift, Shinryu, etc, simply means that sometimes the authors decide to include these tidbits, and sometimes they don't.

It all strikes me as being one of those fanon things that people get way too worked up over. Of course, like any bit of fanon, the devs are free to make it real someday. But I do not yet believe that day has come.

[Balipu]

I've read these links, and I'm still not convinced. Until both Omega and Omega Weapon appear in the SAME GAME, as far as I'm concerned Omega is just "this installment's take on Omega Weapon", and vice versa. The fact that several have ties to the rift, Shinryu, etc, simply means that sometimes the authors decide to include these tidbits, and sometimes they don't.

It all strikes me as being one of those fanon things that people get way too worked up over.

That's funny because Omega Weapon first appeared in VI while Omega came in V. So no, Omega cannot be a version of Omega Weapon. Also OW is just a recolored Ultima Weapon while Omega looks completely different. Also I don't know where you got the idea that OW has any ties to the rift or Shinryu.

[Mholito]

That's funny because Omega Weapon first appeared in VI while Omega came in V. So no, Omega cannot be a version of Omega Weapon. Also OW is just a recolored Ultima Weapon while Omega looks completely different. Also I don't know where you got the idea that OW has any ties to the rift or Shinryu.

Slight correction: Omega Weapon first appeared in VIII. The appearance in VI was only in an optional dungeon added in the GBA version. I agree with you that the two (Omega and Omega Weapon) are entirely different though, due to the way they are both portrayed in the games they appear in. Omega has always looked mostly the same between all its appearances, while the Omega Weapon has always been a reskin of the Ultima Weapon. Both are always consistent with their namesakes in other games.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

The version we are getting is Omega. Omega weapon is just a reskin/upgrade of Ultimate weapon they look both the same and that's why it appears after you defeat Ultimate Weapon. So yes technically we could get the weapon version Proto.W>Ultimate.W>Omega.W, Can't remember if proto is before or after Ultimate. Omega is not the same as the weapon version it has two versions Proto-Omega and Omega.

[LineageRazor]

That's funny because Omega Weapon first appeared in VI while Omega came in V. So no, Omega cannot be a version of Omega Weapon. Also OW is just a recolored Ultima Weapon while Omega looks completely different. Also I don't know where you got the idea that OW has any ties to the rift or Shinryu.

You see? This is exactly what I'm getting at about folks getting worked up over it. You're so worked up over the fact that I would DARE disagree with the fanon, that you've misread my post - twice - in your haste to try to show what I wrote as being foolish nonsense.

You brought up that Omega appeared before Omega Weapon, as though that contradicts what I wrote - when I specifically wrote "and vice-versa" to prevent exactly that.

You brought up that I claimed that Omega Weapon has ties to the rift or Shinyru. I never did. I claimed that "several have ties to the rift, Shinryu, etc". Several what? Of the collection of entities that in some games are Omega and in others are Omega Weapon. Remember that it is my point that these are the SAME legacy entity. Just in some games they appear as Omega and others as Omega Weapon.

Again, once a Final Fantasy game is created that includes both Omega and Omega Weapon in the same game, I may reconsider. Until that time, I consider them to be the same legacy character, which in some games the devs decide to make "Omega flavored" and in others "Omega Weapon flavored". Cid the Engineer (I, III, IV, V, VI, VII, XI, XII, XIV, XV) isn't much like Cid the Politician (VIII, IX, X, Tactics A2, Type-0) or Cid the Soldier (II, Tactics, Tactics A), and yet nobody considers these to be separate legacy characters. The fact that some of these Omegas share traits across installments is no more notable than the fact that some Cids are engineers.

[alimdia]

Cid the Politician (VIII, IX, X, Tactics A2, Type-0)

Small correction, in VIII Cid built Balamb Garden, in IX Cid built the Hildagarde airships, X is the little more ambiguous one, but it seems like he rebuilt Home and that one airship we use late game, so they are very much Engineers.

You see? This is exactly what I'm getting at about folks getting worked up over it. You're so worked up over the fact that I would DARE disagree with the fanon, that you've misread my post - twice - in your haste to try to show what I wrote as being foolish nonsense.

You're getting too personal there, this is just a lore discussion forum, there's no need for hostility, Balipu is only discussing the facts and did not make any personal attack at you.

[LineageRazor]

Small correction, in VIII Cid built Balamb Garden, in IX Cid built the Hildagarde airships, X is the little more ambiguous one, but it seems like he rebuilt Home and that one airship we use late game, so they are very much Engineers.

Unless I misremember (and this is possible - it's been over a decade since I played VIII), Cid did not build Balamb Garden - he discovered it, and repaired it (still engineer-y, to be sure). It, like many things in FFVIII was a relic of an older civilization, like the Undersea ruins. His primary role, though, is NOT engineer, but politician - there's no indication that he personally maintains the Garden, or that he does any other tinkering on a regular basis. Many Cids who do not have engineer as their primary role are still related to engineering, or even just airships, in some way. I still feel that the point stands.

You're getting too personal there, this is just a lore discussion forum, there's no need for hostility, Balipu is only discussing the facts and did not make any personal attack at you.

You may be right. I'm getting worked up over people who get worked up over things. D:

[Cilia]

All I meant was that the other Weapons are exclusive to VII excepting Ultima and Omega (the latter of which is just a more powerful Ultima). They could still appear, but with the raid having the official subtitle of "Interdimensional Rift" I find that really, really iffy.

Eesh... talk about making mountains out of molehills..