Can the new deep dungeon please have enemies with more health

[Sida]

While I agree that some change to break the monotony would be awesomely good thing, I can't find sympathy for the OPs reasoning for it. If you feel you're not learning your class in PoTD then maybe run something else! In between your PoTD level sets you can run dungeons, seek boss enemy fates of proper level range, do boss enemy guild leves or any such thing. If your hammer doesn't work for turning screws, instead of carving screw driver head to your hammer, maybe just pick up the other tool instead.

[Lambdafish]

While I agree that some change to break the monotony would be awesomely good thing, I can't find sympathy for the OPs reasoning for it. If you feel you're not learning your class in PoTD then maybe run something else! In between your PoTD level sets you can run dungeons, seek boss enemy fates of proper level range, do boss enemy guild leves or any such thing. If your hammer doesn't work for turning screws, instead of carving screw driver head to your hammer, maybe just pick up the other tool instead.

Just because I can run other things doesn't mean that PotDs levelling experience shouldn't be improved. This isn't for my own sake, this is the sake of those who soley level in PotD due to fast queues, and the fact that some jobs don't have a good levelling experience in PotD. I learned NIN just fine, but when I tried BLM, I was barely able to apply enochian and leylines before we had to move on. The content gives you these tools long before you can access them outside, and I really wanted to try those toys out, only to find that the enemies were too weak, forcing me into my lvl 50 rotation and completely ignoring my lvl 60 skills.

[Rongway]

when I tried BLM, I was barely able to apply enochian and leylines before we had to move on.

BLM is a really bad example because in a real world situation, you wouldn't be using a FireIV/BlizzardIV rotation on trash anyway. You'd be doing either

Fire III > Fire II > Fire II > Fire II > Fire II > Flare >
Transpose > Fire III > Fire II > Fire II > Flare > repeat this line forever

or you'd be doing a sub50 Fire I spam.

[Lambdafish]

BLM is a really bad example because in a real world situation, you wouldn't be using a FireIV/BlizzardIV rotation on trash anyway. You'd be doing either

That's my point, I'm asking for variation and an alternative to trash for the purposes of being able to fully utilize your toolkit. I found PotD to be an awful experience as BLM simply because I couldn't use my toolkit, because it was nothing but trash.

[Rongway]

That's my point, I'm asking for variation and an alternative to trash for the purposes of being able to fully utilize your toolkit. I found PotD to be an awful experience as BLM simply because I couldn't use my toolkit, because it was nothing but trash.

But now that's my point.

You're not supposed to learn your rotation in a Deep Dungeon; it's challenge content in which you're supposed to know your rotation already, and you're supposed to know when you don't need to use your whole action set. Despite its effectiveness as leveling content, it's not learning content. There are dummies elsewhere for exploring rotations, and then real dungeons for putting those rotations into practice.

While I agree that changes could be made to make Deep Dungeons more interesting, having mechanically interesting or even just harder hitting random miniboss type enemies would not be practical unless a challenge runner had some means of bypassing them -- a hidden key that opens a path avoiding that room, a teleporter with special conditions, etc; but in adding that bypass, the leveling population would have a means of avoiding it as well. And once the leveling population has a means of avoiding something, they will, and then why did we even add it in the first place?

Better would be to add non-combat challenges to some of the floors, in the vein of puzzles that could be accomplished regardless of whether one is solo or in a party.

[Lambdafish]

You're not supposed to learn your rotation in a Deep Dungeon; it's challenge content in which you're supposed to know your rotation already, and you're supposed to know when you don't need to use your whole action set. Despite its effectiveness as leveling content, it's not learning content. There are dummies elsewhere for exploring rotations, and then real dungeons for putting those rotations into practice.

I do understand your point, I just don't understand why it wouldn't accomplish both needs, and allow players who use it for levelling to get a more wholesome experience. You are arguing against something that you yourself said would be good for the game, just because you don't like my reasoning. There is no reason why this couldn't accomplish what I want, and what you want.

[Rongway]

I do understand your point, I just don't understand why it wouldn't accomplish both needs, and allow players who use it for levelling to get a more wholesome experience. You are arguing against something that you yourself said would be good for the game, just because you don't like my reasoning. There is no reason why this couldn't accomplish what I want, and what you want.

I know, I'm just hoping that whatever changes might come in the future are not only interesting but also not prohibitive for challenge runners. "Difficult" and maybe even "almost absurdly difficult" are fun; "impossible" isn't so much.

I just think additions of different formats could be a tricky thing. I would be immeasurably impressed if they managed to come up with additions that worked well for both challenge runners and levelers.

[Lambdafish]

I know, I'm just hoping that whatever changes might come in the future are not only interesting but also not prohibitive for challenge runners. "Difficult" and maybe even "almost absurdly difficult" are fun; "impossible" isn't so much.

I just think additions of different formats could be a tricky thing. I would be immeasurably impressed if they managed to come up with additions that worked well for both challenge runners and levelers.

Oh I can agree with that, this is an idea for the earlier floors more than anything, if the idea is to have DD2 1-50 have us level from 1-70, I'd like more ways to use our skills. There is definately room for progression and I'd not like to see the content become easier or more basic for sure.

You have to remember that we are talking about floors 1-50 so you need to compare it to PotD floors 1-100, please don't try to turn those floors into 101-200

[Chevronone]

Lol thinking players actually do all 100 floors to level. Like any sensible person, they spam 51-60.

[Maero]

One thing i have noticed there is way more traps then used to be, i know there was some talk about it anyone know if this be true or we have just had bad luck?
Personally i have enjoyed it