weak excuses about adding viera

[SorceressVal]

the general reason was was it was too similar to miqo'te to add in the game ....

lets take a step back and look at that . is it a real reason? does it mean anything at all? whats similar whats not?

for this the 1st thing i instantly did after seeing that was count the similar to the not in retrospect to all the races . sounds like alot but it only took like a second .

ok miqo'te to viera how their similar : both are animal variations ... to that end both elezan and rygoden are hyur variations and au rah is another animal variation..... so...no that reason does not stand.

if its physical differences needed then lets look : How they differ : fore arm length neck length , general hight , tail type,ear type,eyes, facial features and foot size& shape.

they seem to have more not in common then in common ...

[SorceressVal]

to say the least they boad more differences from any of the current races then any ready playable race aside from lalafell. witch boads a compleately unsimilar physical outline.

so who was it that thought this was a good enough reason not to add the race ? and honestly were they expecting that we would be so dumb and ready to take whatever excuse and be happy with it ?

i for one do not see myself as slow ,dumb nor do i see myself as perfect or more then average ,

but i am offended that they would expect me to accept a reason as plainly an excuse as that ... as if to underhandedly call me dumb or to say it doesnt matter just tell them something ...

you are players as am i and we asked for the races addition but this excuse seemed a player wide slap in the face to those who asked and did not ask alike .

put a hyur next to a rygo and nose skin color arm length and general size are the only differences.

[Shougun]

Can edit a post to get around the character limit (write up your post, make a post, and then paste in the content via an edit - dont lose the original though would be embarrassing to lose what you need to place in the edit lol).

Personal imo on the next race is something different, or go around and make more customization options to the current ones. Different would be like a Ronso, Charr, not the standard fabulous thing.

More customization options could be new clans to the current races, maybe a "wild" clan to each race, miqote with the soft peach fuzz cat ish face, Au Ru with stronger resemblance to their concept art, or the more obvious of course like new face options, more hairs maybe some more natural curly/wavy hair, horns, beards, chest hair, more and more powerful sliders..

At least personally I feel the game has a signifcant surplus of cute, soft, perfection, and or cuddly and needs more mean, dark, rough, less pristine pop star looks (most of the "tough" we see now is still pretty soft). Although I would note I've seen a lot of requests for Viera :P

[Synrin]

At least personally I feel the game has a signifcant surplus of cute, soft, perfection, and or cuddly and needs more mean, dark, rough, less pristine pop star looks (most of the "tough" we see now is still pretty soft). Although I would note I've seen a lot of requests for Viera :P

I agree. It gets tiresome. We need goblins.

[Kosmos992k]

Personal imo on the next race is something different, or go around and make more customization options to the current ones. Different would be like a Ronso, Charr, not the standard fabulous thing.

More customization options could be new clans to the current races, maybe a "wild" clan to each race, miqote with the soft peach fuzz cat ish face, Au Ru with stronger resemblance to their concept art, or the more obvious of course like new face options, more hairs maybe some more natural curly/wavy hair, horns, beards, chest hair, more and more powerful sliders..

At least personally I feel the game has a signifcant surplus of cute, soft, perfection, and or cuddly and needs more mean, dark, rough, less pristine pop star looks (most of the "tough" we see now is still pretty soft). Although I would note I've seen a lot of requests for Viera :P

I strongly prefer expanding on the races that we have with more options and tribes. Between Roegadyn, Highlander and Aura, there is plenty of scope for less cute and more mean/dark/less pristine looks. For that matter, Miqo'te (especially male) could easily have a less perfect look with more character options and face types.

Putting a lot of effort into another playable race would be a waste IMHO as it would only help the small minority of players hyped to play whichever race that is. While upgrading character customization and adding more tribes/options within the existing races potentially benefits every player in the game - which seems a much more effective use of the development time and effort.

[Shougun]

I strongly prefer expanding on the races that we have with more options and tribes. Between Roegadyn, Highlander and Aura, there is plenty of scope for less cute and more mean/dark/less pristine looks. For that matter, Miqo'te (especially male) could easily have a less perfect look with more character options and face types.

Putting a lot of effort into another playable race would be a waste IMHO as it would only help the small minority of players hyped to play whichever race that is. While upgrading character customization and adding more tribes/options within the existing races potentially benefits every player in the game - which seems a much more effective use of the development time and effort.

I think you could even make some of the cute races pretty badass - like Miqo'te lion (slightly bigger, maybe larger teeth, bushier thicker tail, bit more hair, stronger face lines) and especially the Au Ra I think has high opportunity, I don't mean to say they look bad now but I mean like aggressive war torn and ready for blood. I would be quite pleased with just more options to our current set~

Maybe a sort of Blizzard Raynor/Tychus space marine build for Highlander or Roe (basically if they added to the muscle slider not only a skin texture but an actual bulk slider that affects the 3d model's scale in specific areas). Would like to note that new options doesn't mean just rough stuff, I'm sure you assumed I meant that too but I wanted to say it out loud lol - this wouldn't just be a "mean, dark" pass at the system but it could help a lot in terms of visual diversity ^_^.

I defintiely heartly agree about your argument on effectiveness of the dev time. You have to do a lot for a new race, all the lore, new characters, entirely different looks, unique changes, its a quick pass through the entire game just to make sure you did it nicely lol. I don't think SE's race choices are so unique that adding new races would be as hard as in other MMOs that have more unique looking races, but.. its still a truck full of kupo nuts of work I'm sure. And besides, if the first major gripe is the races don't have enough fun options.. adding more would silence that

So yeah, I agree if they were going for time effective changes revamping our current system and choices could be an excellent task.

[Jpec07]

Honestly, I don't mind, if it means they can beef up the core game to account for dropped PS3 support, and make another amazing, deep, engaging experience with Stormblood.

Sure, Viera would have been neat, but I am looking forward to seeing what improvements they can bring to the system in 4.0 and beyond.

In terms of development, a new race takes a TON of hours of work to accomplish, and makes the process of designing new gear that much more complicated. They would need to make sure customization works, do ALL of the animations (we're talking thousands of animations), adapt all existing gear to fit, and rigorously QA all of that effort. That is a lot of work, for what is actually a pretty small dev team (judging by the credits for Heavensward). I'd much rather have them focus on getting FATEs right, fully playtesting the new 8-man raid, making DoH and DoL progression interesting again, and any number of other improvements.

[Shurrikhan]

I've scant interest in a new race, let alone one as similar as Viera, especially if they're going to be foisted onto us haphazardly like the Au'ra were. Added options are nice. Bare minimal context to excuse said options, when the means of addition (e.g. a race) would normally encourage or even require deep context -- not so much.

Improvements to clipping and cloth physics, so that our robes are no longer extended as if by wire meshes beneath to make them as awkwardly puffed out as possible, on the other hand, would be a damn good reason to come back for Stormblood.

[Vejjiegirl]

I remember reading an interview where Yoshi-P said that they didn't want to add viera because they were to similar to Female Roegadyn and Elezen which are very unpopular with players.

It was also stated that this is the reason why Au Ra was created smaller and less beastlike due to the unpopularity of tall races.

This reasoning is very similar to F2P MMOS like Tera where they make special jobs/gear only for popular Races(Elin), its because they want to market for the majority of whats popular rather than the minority, for the fear no one would use them.

[Ririta]

It was also stated that this is the reason why Au Ra was created smaller and less beastlike due to the unpopularity of tall races.

So my dislike for lizards was justified after all.