[Suggestion] Solving the "Housing Problem"

[Naunet]

Why are we still talking about Garrisons when Garrisons are not housing? >_>;

[Penthea]

Why are we still talking about Garrisons when Garrisons are not housing? >_>;

Maybe because people keep mentioning it :P and also maybe because some people entirely misunderstand my comparison with instanced housing and garrisons.

Although now someone else has brought up duty finder, so I guess we can talk about that now as well.

[Penthea]

Instanced housing doesn't need to be done right. You have an instance, players have a house period. If developers can't convince you to go outside that is a game play flaw not a house flaw.

I realise I have double posted now but I can't believe someone has just said this. Instanced housing doesn't need to be done right? What?

Well if that's what you want your wish has already come halfway. Apartments are instanced and they're most certainly not done right at all.

[Naunet]

Maybe because people keep mentioning it :P and also maybe because some people entirely misunderstand my comparison with instanced housing and garrisons.

The paranoid, never-trusting-SE part of my brain is worried that SE is going to see all this talk about Garrisons and decide that's what we want player housing to be. "Oh, you want more special features!"

No. Just to be clear, SE, in case you are listening... No, I just want a massive decor limit, freely manipulated XYZ axis placing, resizing of decor, and no more stupid restrictions on what can and cannot be dyed.

[Acilith]

I've said this several other places before, but I think the problem is going to be.. when they finally DO give us as many wards as we need? Not enough medium/large houses. Everyone I know and I mean everyone, gets a small house to start, is happy for like a month or two, then decides. Hey. I need a bigger place. And I don't really blame them.

[Penthea]

The paranoid, never-trusting-SE part of my brain is worried that SE is going to see all this talk about Garrisons and decide that's what we want player housing to be. "Oh, you want more special features!"

Considering every post about garrisons in this thread is very negative, I seriously doubt it. I don't think SE are that dim.

I've said this several other places before, but I think the problem is going to be.. when they finally DO give us as many wards as we need? Not enough medium/large houses. Everyone I know and I mean everyone, gets a small house to start, is happy for like a month or two, then decides. Hey. I need a bigger place. And I don't really blame them.

If they removed restrictions like how many garden patches and vendors you can have then having a small wouldn't be so bad. Certainly for fcs the problem isn't always the actual size of the house, but actually the cap on certain furnishings.

Or if they brought in a system in which you can build any house size on a plot you own. Obviously wards would need to have very different design to facilitate this. If this feature was in instanced housing it certainly would make it very attractive.

[Acilith]

I've brought up the idea of modifying the wards, so if you do have a small plot you could just 'upgrade it' if you wanted to. But nobody seemed to like the idea at all and said it was impossible, lol. It's totally not about garden patches and vendors, it's entirely about not having enough space to decorate.

[Penthea]

I've brought up the idea of modifying the wards, so if you do have a small plot you could just 'upgrade it' if you wanted to. But nobody seemed to like the idea at all and said it was impossible, lol. It's totally not about garden patches and vendors, it's entirely about not having enough space to decorate.

In the current state of wards it is impossible. The plot sizes are proportionate to the sizes of the houses they're intended for. You couldn't fit a mansion on a small plot. All plots sizes would either need to be the size of large plots, or the plot size would change depending on the size of the house you built. Either would require large changes to wards. I would prefer this though. It kind of sucks being stuck with whatever happened to become available if you could afford to buy much more.

Speaking as a fc leader, it's not just about decorating at all. We were fortunate enough to get a medium house so we're doing pretty well, but we still cannot have all the crafting facilities or vendors. Only a mansion can, and not only are they very expensive but compared to medium and small houses, there are very few.

Yea I know crafting facilities are useful only up to lvl 50, but I have a lot of new players in my fc and they are using them. Even I don't have all my crafters past 50. So the cap in this case does matter to us.

[Maxsdad]

I'm not sure I understand the complaint many of you have about housing. You want the largest plots for the largest mansion to hold all your stuff, but there aren't enough large plots and the one's out there are too expensive. Gee, sounds like real life. I'm not in a FC, so for me (crafter/gatherer) a personal house is a necessity. I started with a small house, went to a medium, and just got a large first-class plot because NOBODY WANTED TO PAY FULL PRICE! So, while you're playing a waiting game watching the value go down, I bought what you wanted but didn't want to pay for. Yeah, paying 50m kinda dents the pocket, but what else am I going to spend gil on? As Ashe (xAshe10x) told me once when I was sniveling about the cost of large plots (yeah, I did it too) "you'll make that back in 3 months growing crops". BTW, my server typically has 10-15 smalls and 3-5 mediums and 1 or 2 large for sale every week. If you're a newer FC or beginning player, isn't a small house better than nothing?

[Penthea]

So, while you're playing a waiting game watching the value go down, I bought what you wanted but didn't want to pay for.

Um nobody in this thread said they were hanging around waiting for the price to go down. I don't know why you're rubbing it in our faces that you did something that none of us said we wouldn't do. Literally people only remarked their cost and availability. Not that they cba to buy it.

When I mentioned large plots being so few I was mostly referring to the fact that on my server camping every day for months wouldn't guarantee finding a large plot that became available due to the demolition timer. Yea you could buy it from a player, but like most people I'd rather not risk my gil or my account for that. As for the cost it was just a remark on the price compared to medium and small. I was most certainly not complaining while sitting at a placard for an unclaimed large plot QQing about my gil when I had enough to buy but didn't because I was tight with my cash, like you seem to imagine some of us doing.