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    The Feast party formation should be based on rating AND job type, not just rating

    Day two of playing as ranged DPS I was promoted to Silver with a rating of 586 (60% win rate). 50 matches on, my rating is now 474 (36% win rate). Where I'm Silver and the majority of Silver+ players appear to be healers, I'm almost always placed against a Silver healer, who can out-heal the unrated healer on my team.

    In this match our team's unrated healer was 38% as effective as the opposing team's Silver-rated healer - for every 10,000 HP the opposing healer recovered, ours recovered 3,800.



    I propose:
    1. Rating and job type should determine who you are placed against.
    2. A given job type should only ever be placed against the same job type plus or minus one rating level.

    If I'm a Silver-rated ranged DPS I should only ever be placed in a party against Bronze, Silver or Gold Ranged DPS. If I'm a Bronze-rated Tank, I should only ever be placed in a party against an unrated, Bronze or Silver Tank.
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    I had the same problems the past 2 Days. i reached gold very quickly but then i got the lowest rated Healers and DPS to even out my high rating wich lead to a lot of losses.
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    Sch is also consider different on how it heals. Not to mention your healer die twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
    Sch is also consider different on how it heals. Not to mention your healer die twice.
    That shouldn't matter. Dying puts you out of action for about 15 seconds BUT it also fully recovers your MP. This is also only one example of an awful lot of occurrences of this happening - and it happens with AST and WHM as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
    Sch is also consider different on how it heals. Not to mention your healer die twice.
    Yes Scholar Shields dont get counted on the overall Healing he did so it always looks he healed less then others.
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    My wild guess is that this matchmaking exists this way because the que times would be much longer as they are now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Araxes View Post
    Yes Scholar Shields dont get counted on the overall Healing he did so it always looks he healed less then others.
    That's interesting, I wasn't aware of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    My wild guess is that this matchmaking exists this way because the que times would be much longer as they are now.
    Feast queue times are < 10 minutes right now, and have been ever since the Garo update. Back in S1 and S2 you could easily wait 1 hour for a single match. I'd much rather wait 30+ minutes for a balanced match and be satisfied that our team lost because the other team outsmarted us, rather than be salty that our team lost because the games are balanced the way they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mockingbird View Post
    That's interesting, I wasn't aware of that.


    Feast queue times are < 10 minutes right now, and have been ever since the Garo update. Back in S1 and S2 you could easily wait 1 hour for a single match. I'd much rather wait 30+ minutes for a balanced match and be satisfied that our team lost because the other team outsmarted us, rather than be salty that our team lost because the games are balanced the way they are.
    season 2 feast had some aweful matchmaking as you can get unranked even as a platinum or gold ranking player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mockingbird View Post
    That's interesting, I wasn't aware of that.


    Feast queue times are < 10 minutes right now, and have been ever since the Garo update. Back in S1 and S2 you could easily wait 1 hour for a single match. I'd much rather wait 30+ minutes for a balanced match and be satisfied that our team lost because the other team outsmarted us, rather than be salty that our team lost because the games are balanced the way they are.
    Yes at the moment the times are that way. But what if the people have the stuff they want? The times will go up again and 30 minutes would be a fast que, with a proper matchmaking it could also easy be 1 hour or more. You may be ok with that but i can tell you that many people are not and if they stop queing your que times will go up again.

    I understand that people, no matter what rank, want to have fair matches but i'm pretty certain that the real pvp community is way to small for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
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    it also depends on who's in the pool of players currently queuing. there may be no other equivalent ranked ppl available.
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