SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

[bswpayton]

So basically Im pretty frustrated with this I mean RF probably works for savage raids which I do intend to use to do savage. But its no need to put extreme primals in rf its much more of a niche than just simply using duty finder.

Nobody uses Rf for primals thus its forcing my hand to put something up in pf which I really dont want to do. Because for me pf doesn't seem like the place to be being as I dont see a single learning party for anything other than zurvan extreme which honestly at this point I dont even see that any longer. Its mostly just clear parties and have 260 plus gear. Now bismark and Ravana extreme where both in duty finder( and when I finished hw story I cleared them in df) like all the other primals so why is everything else in RF its stupid alot of people dont even know about the feature.

And it ruins things for players like me who simply want to play all content in the game whether its the hot thing to do or not. And plus Im a mentor and the last thing Id want is to maybe get on one day on rf open it up maybe clear by luck, and have it pop up again in the mentor roulette. I have cleared all primals through duty finder never once have I used pf other than a pony farm. Please fix this are some players will never get a chance to even do the hw primals its already bad enough with how things are with the Arr primals but at least if you have patience you can wait it out in duty finder raiders arent gona use rf for an extreme primal its not savage content. So this content has no business doing in raid finder please take it out for current players and for future players.

[Moomba33]

This topic has come up a few times and gotten very little support:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...vs-duty-finder
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ing-a-solution
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-Off-my-Chest

Edit:
On the other hand a lot of people are happy about being able to filter out players based on clears: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-ex-back-to-DF

Requests for multi-queuing with RF have gotten some support but no response from SE: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l-at-a-time%29

Before RF I typically went for my Ex clears the patch after they released when they hit DF. In 3.4 I found myself waiting for hours to get into Nidhogg Ex and eventually bit the bullet and went to PF. The group I finally got my clear with took ages to fill but it got done eventually.

With cross server PF added in 3.5 I've seen learning groups filling a lot more quickly for older content (at least on Primal). I too would prefer to try my luck in DF since I'm shy about using PF but unfortunately it doesn't seem like it's coming back any time soon. Maybe they'll dump the Exes and Creator Savage into DF when Stormblood hits.

[NorthernLadMSP]

It's fine as is. Even as of last night I see a ton of learning and clear parties for Zurvan.

[Vidu]

Okay, so you're telling me that people who are interested in doing this content dont do it because... they cant figure out how to queue for it? Sounds like a good reason to keep people who arent fit for the content out - sorry, being a bit sarcastic here, but if you fail at queuing up because you have to open a different window, I'm worried if you can manage to even get out of an AoE. Your assumption that people dont queue up for this content because they're to dumb to find the queue-window for it, doesnt really hold up. If someone wants to do this content, they'll figure out how to. Granted, they could "advertise" the RF better, but other than that its just a different menu...

I would argue that the reason most people arent doing the more complex/difficult/recent Ex-Primals through RF is the same it always has been: Getting paired up with seven random guys isnt the best way to tackle those fights, since they require coordination, communication and knowledge of the fight. So its prefered NOT to do them in RF/DF in the first place since it will lead to a lot frustation. You're just more sucessful when you can get a full team together, so thats what most people are doing.

RF has the nice addition that you can queue up with "no bonus", making farming through RF a LOT easier because you can make sure not to get paired up with new people each time - even with being a mentor, sometimes I prefer to just get my own stuff done and a Sophia-clear takes 10 minutes, not 45. So I actually like that feature very much (and we dont have it in DF).
I dont want to give up on this just because queuing up for it is a bit more of an inconvenience for the solo-player - and again I doubt that RF is the reason for that, I believe its more the nature of the content. Bismarck and Ravana are the easier primals, no surprise people are more willing to queue up for those with DF. It was the same in ARR - the easy primals like Ruda you were able to queue up for, the more difficult ones... not so much.

And: As long as those duties in RF they wont show up in your mentor roulette, so if they stay there, why worry about that? And if they can show up in your roulette, they've been moved to DF, so... there isnt a problem? Since you can just do them at that point then. Through DF. As you want.

[bswpayton]

It's fine as is. Even as of last night I see a ton of learning and clear parties for Zurvan.

I dont see any , hardly I see mostly bird farms and clear parties, and I mean zurvan is the latest primal so for now people are still doing him frequently. But Id rather not skip to zurvan before I clear sep, thordan , and sophia. It makes no sense at all for them to be in raid finder its not a raid and shouldnt be treated as such, duty finder even if abandoned its still more frequently used, I can get a que for ravana and bis for wt in under 20 mins. So I dont see what the issue would be putting them back in the duty finder, because again even when storm blood comes out their will still be other players filtering through and they will have a better chance in df than rf.

[Spiroglyph]

"Nobody uses RF for primals" is pushing it... and I really don't understand how this can ruin anything for anyone, it's pretty similar to DF, except here you can actually queue separately for learning parties and kill parties.

[bswpayton]

Okay, so you're telling me that people who are interested in doing this content dont do it because... they cant figure out how to queue for it? Sounds like a good reason to keep people who arent fit for the content out - sorry, being a bit sarcastic here, but if you fail at queuing up because you have to open a different window, I'm worried if you can manage to even get out of an AoE. Your assumption that people

Ok well ramuh would be considered a harder extreme primal from arr it took time but after about 4 or 5 tries I cleared it without a party abandoning. Its more so of probability unlike other players I dont expect to go in and win every time for me its about learning the content seeing where I can improve and seeing where I can give tips to others.

I have been in parties where people have failed garuda extreme , and it doesn't bother me I knew what I was signing up for when I went in to a df. The success rate of clearing for me doesnt have to be extremely high, Ive had parties fail bis, and ravana but the fact that access is higher gives me a better chance than a niche feature like rf that from what Ive seen on primal nobody uses for anything other than Alexander. For people who dont want to do it the df way they clearly already have their option and thats pf some people enjoy this feature I do not, so all of the other primals were in df so its no reason to not have these in there as well even if they are harder. Its not about them being harder its about which feature is more used and df is clearly more used by the player base than rf.

[mosaicex]

Works fine on Japanese servers, people are using both RF and PF for EX Primals there.

Only thing I missed from DF is the ability to queue for multiple instances at the same time.

[amihavingfunyet]

Just wish I wouldn't need 2 shortcuts for the UIs to queue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Spiroglyph]

Works fine on Japanese servers, people are using both RF and PF for EX Primals there.

Only thing I missed from DF is the ability to queue for multiple instances at the same time.

^^^^^

This.