SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

[bswpayton]

So basically Im pretty frustrated with this I mean RF probably works for savage raids which I do intend to use to do savage. But its no need to put extreme primals in rf its much more of a niche than just simply using duty finder.

Nobody uses Rf for primals thus its forcing my hand to put something up in pf which I really dont want to do. Because for me pf doesn't seem like the place to be being as I dont see a single learning party for anything other than zurvan extreme which honestly at this point I dont even see that any longer. Its mostly just clear parties and have 260 plus gear. Now bismark and Ravana extreme where both in duty finder( and when I finished hw story I cleared them in df) like all the other primals so why is everything else in RF its stupid alot of people dont even know about the feature.

And it ruins things for players like me who simply want to play all content in the game whether its the hot thing to do or not. And plus Im a mentor and the last thing Id want is to maybe get on one day on rf open it up maybe clear by luck, and have it pop up again in the mentor roulette. I have cleared all primals through duty finder never once have I used pf other than a pony farm. Please fix this are some players will never get a chance to even do the hw primals its already bad enough with how things are with the Arr primals but at least if you have patience you can wait it out in duty finder raiders arent gona use rf for an extreme primal its not savage content. So this content has no business doing in raid finder please take it out for current players and for future players.

[Moomba33]

This topic has come up a few times and gotten very little support:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...vs-duty-finder
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ing-a-solution
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-Off-my-Chest

Edit:
On the other hand a lot of people are happy about being able to filter out players based on clears: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-ex-back-to-DF

Requests for multi-queuing with RF have gotten some support but no response from SE: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l-at-a-time%29

Before RF I typically went for my Ex clears the patch after they released when they hit DF. In 3.4 I found myself waiting for hours to get into Nidhogg Ex and eventually bit the bullet and went to PF. The group I finally got my clear with took ages to fill but it got done eventually.

With cross server PF added in 3.5 I've seen learning groups filling a lot more quickly for older content (at least on Primal). I too would prefer to try my luck in DF since I'm shy about using PF but unfortunately it doesn't seem like it's coming back any time soon. Maybe they'll dump the Exes and Creator Savage into DF when Stormblood hits.

[NorthernLadMSP]

It's fine as is. Even as of last night I see a ton of learning and clear parties for Zurvan.

[bswpayton]

It's fine as is. Even as of last night I see a ton of learning and clear parties for Zurvan.

I dont see any , hardly I see mostly bird farms and clear parties, and I mean zurvan is the latest primal so for now people are still doing him frequently. But Id rather not skip to zurvan before I clear sep, thordan , and sophia. It makes no sense at all for them to be in raid finder its not a raid and shouldnt be treated as such, duty finder even if abandoned its still more frequently used, I can get a que for ravana and bis for wt in under 20 mins. So I dont see what the issue would be putting them back in the duty finder, because again even when storm blood comes out their will still be other players filtering through and they will have a better chance in df than rf.

[Vidu]

I dont see any , hardly I see mostly bird farms and clear parties, and I mean zurvan is the latest primal so for now people are still doing him frequently. But Id rather not skip to zurvan before I clear sep, thordan , and sophia. It makes no sense at all for them to be in raid finder its not a raid and shouldnt be treated as such, duty finder even if abandoned its still more frequently used, I can get a que for ravana and bis for wt in under 20 mins.

Yes, you can do them through DF BECAUSE of WT - BECAUSE people are queueing up for them because they need them for that.
Excatly how is this content so different from the Alexander-raid? Its a huge boss with "complexe" mechanics that cant easly be facerolled and requires everyone to pay attention - it doesnt has a weekly lockout, but thats about it.

If you want to do them in the "correct" order, well thats on you and your "problem" - as in: your choice. If that makes it more difficult for you because other people dont share this... well...

And where excatly is the difference in queueing up in DF or RF? Like, techincally? You open a different menu - one that provides nice features! Instead of eliminating it, we should make sure its more commonly known.

[bswpayton]

Yes, you can do them through DF BECAUSE of WT - BECAUSE people are queueing up for them because they need them for that.
Excatly how is this content so different from the Alexander-raid? Its a huge boss with "complexe" mechanics that cant easly be facerolled and requires everyone to pay attention - it doesnt has a weekly lockout, but

Your translation basically is just saying well Im sorry that you didnt do the content when it was current, you need to catch up to everyone else and come do the lastest content. Nobody is paying money to do one primal, like I said earlier their are just as many people not at endgame those whom are at end game so why ignore them.

I just dont follow this community sometimes, even when I did the 24 mans for the first time even tho Im a mentor getting comments like noob and stuff like that. Do people not realize its a collective thing its a colletive effort that we all pay money to keep this game alive, so if someone is doing something or wanting to do something for the first time then maybe not all but for all those that did die in the content their first round should just shut up. Duty finder even if you get kicked you can still learn from the content and the next time you que do better, Its been my approach on every piece of content in the game. Like me doing a 12 normal the other tank talked trash , but it was my first run every single run after I get commendations and have never failed at any mechanics granted its easy but still. Its simply about access and you have more access to anything df wise compared to rf there is really no way around it.

@ Vidu Im not a lone wolf I have two or three friends that are open to doing any content in the game with me. The problem is , is that I just have a casual friend base they are much more on the crafting in social aspect of the game than wanting to do the challenging parts of the game. Same with my fc someone ask to unsync the last two Arr dungeons unsync we get it together, or titan normal, or hakku manor , or leveling roulette most people are up for this. But if I ask to do thordan or sep extreme I mostly get silence, I personally have had good experiences with df. The thing is just simply more access equals more likely to get a que and thats all Im asking for, not nerfs are changing content but put it in the pool of things that most of the people in the game use.

[Vidu]

Your translation basically is just saying well Im sorry that you didnt do the content when it was current, you need to catch up to everyone else and come do the lastest content. Nobody is paying money to do one primal, like I said earlier their are just as many people not at endgame those whom are at end game so why ignore them.

What I'm saying is: Sorry that you werent around when more people were doing this content so that it was easier to get in - and sorry that you're placing restrictions on yourself on how to access this content. Sorry that you dont bother with forming a party of friends to tackle this content. I'm sorry that you have this one very specific way to do this content and that you're locking yourself out because of it. I'm sorry you're late to the party and the cake is gone - and now they're only crumbs left, unless you go and bake yourself another cake.

I am however not sorry about this very nice no-bonus-feature that RF is providing us with - again: it makes farming in RF actually possible. I like that and I'd like to keep it. I have farmed Ruda EX and Ramuh EX when it was current content in DF, my friends were worried I'd go mad over all the shit groups I got. I also farmed Sophia a bit through RF, with the no-bonus option ofc. Easy peasy - not because Sophia is THIS much easier, but because I was able to keep out the people who hadnt seen the fight at all before.

Ravana and Bismarck are extremly outgeared by now, ignoring most of the mechanics - that isnt the case with Thordan, Seph, Nidhogg, Sophia or Zurvan - at least not that badly.

And I honestly dont get this mentalty of "I'm fine with getting a party that will wipe for an hour on phase 1, when I get to see the content at least!" - what is that doing for you?
Listen, I get that you'd like to do this content, and they've made it a lot, lot easier to try it by now - like how you can queue up alone for the most recent EX-primal instead of having to go in with a full group. They're giving us the little finger and you're asking for the whole hand here. And again: the no-bonus feature is just great!
Some people want to farm this content, some people might want to just do/clear it - if there arent enough of the later, thats sad, but not down to the menu that gives you access...

[Vidu]

Okay, so you're telling me that people who are interested in doing this content dont do it because... they cant figure out how to queue for it? Sounds like a good reason to keep people who arent fit for the content out - sorry, being a bit sarcastic here, but if you fail at queuing up because you have to open a different window, I'm worried if you can manage to even get out of an AoE. Your assumption that people dont queue up for this content because they're to dumb to find the queue-window for it, doesnt really hold up. If someone wants to do this content, they'll figure out how to. Granted, they could "advertise" the RF better, but other than that its just a different menu...

I would argue that the reason most people arent doing the more complex/difficult/recent Ex-Primals through RF is the same it always has been: Getting paired up with seven random guys isnt the best way to tackle those fights, since they require coordination, communication and knowledge of the fight. So its prefered NOT to do them in RF/DF in the first place since it will lead to a lot frustation. You're just more sucessful when you can get a full team together, so thats what most people are doing.

RF has the nice addition that you can queue up with "no bonus", making farming through RF a LOT easier because you can make sure not to get paired up with new people each time - even with being a mentor, sometimes I prefer to just get my own stuff done and a Sophia-clear takes 10 minutes, not 45. So I actually like that feature very much (and we dont have it in DF).
I dont want to give up on this just because queuing up for it is a bit more of an inconvenience for the solo-player - and again I doubt that RF is the reason for that, I believe its more the nature of the content. Bismarck and Ravana are the easier primals, no surprise people are more willing to queue up for those with DF. It was the same in ARR - the easy primals like Ruda you were able to queue up for, the more difficult ones... not so much.

And: As long as those duties in RF they wont show up in your mentor roulette, so if they stay there, why worry about that? And if they can show up in your roulette, they've been moved to DF, so... there isnt a problem? Since you can just do them at that point then. Through DF. As you want.

[bswpayton]

Okay, so you're telling me that people who are interested in doing this content dont do it because... they cant figure out how to queue for it? Sounds like a good reason to keep people who arent fit for the content out - sorry, being a bit sarcastic here, but if you fail at queuing up because you have to open a different window, I'm worried if you can manage to even get out of an AoE. Your assumption that people

Ok well ramuh would be considered a harder extreme primal from arr it took time but after about 4 or 5 tries I cleared it without a party abandoning. Its more so of probability unlike other players I dont expect to go in and win every time for me its about learning the content seeing where I can improve and seeing where I can give tips to others.

I have been in parties where people have failed garuda extreme , and it doesn't bother me I knew what I was signing up for when I went in to a df. The success rate of clearing for me doesnt have to be extremely high, Ive had parties fail bis, and ravana but the fact that access is higher gives me a better chance than a niche feature like rf that from what Ive seen on primal nobody uses for anything other than Alexander. For people who dont want to do it the df way they clearly already have their option and thats pf some people enjoy this feature I do not, so all of the other primals were in df so its no reason to not have these in there as well even if they are harder. Its not about them being harder its about which feature is more used and df is clearly more used by the player base than rf.

[Dzian]

I dont see any , hardly I see mostly bird farms and clear parties, and I mean zurvan is the latest primal so for now people are still doing him frequently. But Id rather not skip to zurvan before I clear sep, thordan , and sophia. It makes no sense at all for them to be in raid finder its not a raid and shouldnt be treated as such, duty finder even if abandoned its still more frequently used, I can get a que for ravana and bis for wt in under 20 mins. So I dont see what the issue would be putting them back in the duty finder, because again even when storm blood comes out their will still be other players filtering through and they will have a better chance in df than rf.

They were put in the raid finder for the same reason raid finder exists in the first place. to filter out players. because doing extreme primals and savages in duty finder was impossible to get clears.. raid finder was added so players could queue up those fights and get matched only with people who had clears thus have at least a decent chance of actually getting more clears...

I get quite a few groups in raid finder for various extremes. and often I tend to prefer the raid finder cos it means I can jump in do 1 or 2 runs and jump out. where pf groups tend to expect you do stick around for a much longer time than just a couple of runs.. plus a growing trend on party finders is ridiculous ilevel requirements. zurv ex farm 265+ ilevel requirements.... so raid finder it is. and it works.. i'd say 80% of my sophic weapons and totems came from raid finder in 3.4... and currently almost all my zurvan things are from raid finder groups. because of the ridiculous ilevels on party finders. (no weapons won but 22 totems)..

RF has the nice addition that you can queue up with "no bonus", making farming through RF a LOT easier because you can make sure not to get paired up with new people each time - even with being a mentor, sometimes I prefer to just get my own stuff done and a Sophia-clear takes 10 minutes, not 45. So I actually like that feature very much (and we dont have it in DF)..

This is true but I feel it needs more restrictions as well. because queing > incomplete > completion when it's your first time or you haven't it made it past the adds shouldn't be possible... the only option you should be allowed to use is "practice" until you've got the boss down to single digits or see nthe enrage or something...

in both zurvan and soph I got to a point pretty fast where I was getting to 3-5% several times and every group I got after that couldn't even make it to or past the adds. just people ticking completion hoping for a carry when they should have queud practice and not wasted everyones time....

Also these restrictions need to work in pf groups as well. cos theres a topic here where people are saying people with bonus are sneaking into farm parties.... if someone has bonus it shouldn't let the leader queue "Complete > completion" cos someone doesn't meet requirements....... yet it seems it does.. which again seems to be contrary to the reason the raid finder was implemented in the first place