Sentinal is a thorn in our sides

[Krausus]

But I am not taking them at face value. Sentinel doesn't add hate, the new ability does. It's not hard to figure out that when mages have hate bad things happen.

yes you are, you are trying to use the current description of Sentinel to prove Sentinel is going away even though the current description is incorrect.

[Molly_Millions]

yes you are, you are trying to use the current description of Sentinel to prove Sentinel is going away even though the current description is incorrect.

My point remains, the effect of the old and new abilities are not the same, wheather on not they call the new ability Sentinel or not doesn't really matter, and weather or not you do anything with your weapon when using sentinel today doesn't really matter. What matters is that when you use Sentinel today, it doesn't add more emnity; when you use the new ability, you will gain emnity. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME, AND WILL NOT PRODUCE THE SAME RESULTS.

[Rentahamster]

THEY ARE NOT THE SAME, AND WILL NOT PRODUCE THE SAME RESULTS.

I don't think anyone really cares about the enmity. The defining point of sentinel is the insane damage reduction. If the new Gladiator skill has similar insane damage reduction, then for all intents and purposes, it is the same skill.

Oh, one more thing - sentinel does actually generate enmity. Just not a lot. It's about 40 points of hate.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/54373.html#cutid1

[Molly_Millions]

I don't think anyone really cares about the enmity. The defining point of sentinel is the insane damage reduction. If the new Gladiator skill has similar insane damage reduction, then for all intents and purposes, it is the same skill.

Oh, one more thing - sentinel does actually generate enmity. Just not a lot. It's about 40 points of hate.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/54373.html#cutid1

So does every other ability, in fact 41 is the average so it adds no more emnity than the average ability in essence nullifying the effect. Unless you actually believe that they would add that to the description when the new ability generate average emnity. In that case, you win, I'm done as you won't listen to reason.

[Krausus]

So does every other ability, in fact 41 is the average so it adds no more emnity than the average ability in essence nullifying the effect. Unless you actually believe that they would add that to the description when the new ability generate average emnity. In that case, you win, I'm done as you won't listen to reason.

actually speed surge, life surge, and invigorate will not add any hate. At least in the sense that it will not show you generating hate on a mob (wont change the hate meter from nothing to green)

[Molly_Millions]

actually speed surge, life surge, and invigorate will not add any hate. At least in the sense that it will not show you generating hate on a mob (wont change the hate meter from nothing to green)

do you know what the word average means?

sorry to be an ass, but you are making some pretty illogical arguments. We are comparing the new ability to sentinel not to speed surge.

[syntaxlies]

Been playing this game off and on since beta. Never cared for tank jobs in any game so never bothered to pick up gld. Now with it pretty much being a requirement for the Ifrit fight I am stuck slowly lvling it solo since its nearly impossible to get a pt or get someone to take an hr out of their day to burn you up and even tho I finally got it to 30 those last 6 lvls feel like 60.

What I would like to do is spend my time lvling a job I actually WANT to play like lnc or arc but instead Im sitting here getting a few hundred exp per mob with the slow (comparatively) gld kills, listening to my ls talk nothing but Ifrit until I get so annoyed I just log. Its been how long since the update and I still havent fought him all because of freakin sentinal and the fact no one will take me into the fight without it. Driving me freakin crazy. I cant even take the time to help with SH runs because I am stuck slowly creepin up gld. All this game has become for me is the slow gld crawl. Im about ready to walk again.

I know its really not that bad but I really HATE the job of gld and having to spend hour after hour after hour lvling it up solo is completely idiotic. But nope se had to make the hellfire such a pita that you cant enter without a job ability that is lvl 36. /sigh ok my rant is done, carry on.

ive seen this thread so many times and didnt even know you started it,lol, if you dont have sentinel you know ill raise you

[Rentahamster]

So does every other ability, in fact 41 is the average so it adds no more emnity than the average ability in essence nullifying the effect. Unless you actually believe that they would add that to the description when the new ability generate average emnity. In that case, you win, I'm done as you won't listen to reason.

I won't listen to reason? All I did was respond to your statement:

when you use Sentinel today, it doesn't add more emnity

Since it technically does, but not enough to matter at all.


Besides the main point of my post was to show that the defining characteristic of Sentinel is the damage reduction. Regardless of the hate generation boost, if it still reduces a lot of damage on Hellfire, people will still use it.

[Molly_Millions]

I won't listen to reason? All I did was respond to your statement:

Since it technically does, but not enough to matter at all.


Besides the main point of my post was to show that the defining characteristic of Sentinel is the damage reduction. Regardless of the hate generation boost, if it still reduces a lot of damage on Hellfire, people will still use it.

That's assuming it doesn't make the mages wipe, which is something we can't safely assume at this time. After the patch, if we see that the enmity generating effect is so weak that it can be ignored and used by a mage, then sure everyone will probably use it on Ifrit. But until we can see the actual enmity generated, that's not something that we can assume. The simple fact that enmity generation is mentioned in the description leads me to believe, however, that it's not going to be safe for the main healer to use.

To assume is to make an ass out of u and me.

[syntaxlies]

regarding the enmity effect of the "new sentinel" it doesn't matter how much enmity t generates the tank will still have more given he also used the skill. The tank probably used the skill 10 times by hellfire. Ive seen people argue this so much and it doesn't make sense. I can go a whole fight with others being red and not accomplice them and still not lose hate.