Thread: Machinist extinction in 4.0?

I hope so !
Maybe SE would rework the class then and finally give us a dual guns job

Originally Posted by Aquaslash

IIRC, MCH is the strongest DPS right now. I don't think it's going anywhere

Isn't it a little bit too RNG based to be the strongest ?
Pretty much like the AST, when the Gods are not with you.... :/

I don't know why people are thinking RNG is such a big element to MCH's performance. If you're playing the job right (proper use of cooldowns, which is what learning the job is entirely about) there's very little of a fight where you're sat there fishing for a proc, and even if you are it doesn't have that big effect on your overall dps.

MCH is literally one of the strongest dps jobs right now, especially in a raiding environment and if it continues to be it is not going anywhere. If anything I would argue MCH is one of the most well designed jobs in the game right now and the only streamlining I'd like to see for it would be consolidating certain skills together (such as dismantle and rend mind, or the heavy/bind).

I've been a MCH main for most of Heavensward, and while I am interested in Samurai I'll always continue to at least sub MCH unless Stormblood completely destroys it. You know, by like, dropping Gauss Barrel because of how much everyone cried about it despite it mechanically working much better with MCH than it does with BRD.

Originally Posted by Moururii

I don't know why people are thinking RNG is such a big element to MCH's performance. If you're playing the job right (proper use of cooldowns, which is what learning the job is entirely about) there's very little of a fight where you're sat there fishing for a proc, and even if you are it doesn't have that big effect on your overall dps.

MCH is literally one of the strongest dps jobs right now, especially in a raiding environment and if it continues to be it is not going anywhere. If anything I would argue MCH is one of the most well designed jobs in the game right now and the only streamlining I'd like to see for it would be consolidating certain skills together (such as dismantle and rend mind, or the heavy/bind).

I've been a MCH main for most of Heavensward, and while I am interested in Samurai I'll always continue to at least sub MCH unless Stormblood completely destroys it. You know, by like, dropping Gauss Barrel because of how much everyone cried about it despite it mechanically working much better with MCH than it does with BRD.

Like one of my friends said to me

"The problem with MCH might not be the rng but how strict the job is, you eventually end up looking like Mozart"
And that line is exactly why MCH needs to be simplified.

This is how everyone plays MCH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNU-XAZjhzA

It's.....just too much. At some point there's a point where it's just too much. Remove some of the preparation (specially hotshot).
There will always be people who don't agree, but for the majority (from what I see here) MCH needs to be simplified. Fun should always take precedence to any fancies like complexity. It's why Sam and Red mage won't be complex. I bet you 100000 Mog dollars that the only reason why they made MCH so complex is to try to make it different from Bard. But if that's what they wanted they should find funner ways to do that.

Please Yoshida, think first about fun, complexity/strictness is an artificial kind of fun.

Besides removing hotshot I still want to see more support for a dual gun "stance" or buff. To fix the problem of "2 big guns will look ridiculous" they could just shrink in size when you go dual gun. There's your solution devs!